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[bravodude]

what is the current state of furl. pilots at the airlines. how many are on the street at each company. (i hope everyone gets to come back soon)

 

[Sandstorm]

This was sent to our MEC by ALPA and then sent to the pilot group. The note stated that there may be some obvious wrong numbers, but it is a pretty good rough number. It could be way off. I don't know, but just posting what I have.

Sept. 11, 2001 – August 7, 2003
Airline Pilots on Furlough

Air Canada Jazz..................119
Air Transat...........................71
Air Wisconsin.........................4
Allegheny...............................0
Aloha...................................26
America West........................0
American Eagle...................270
American Trans Air................60
Atlantic Coast.......................96
Atlas Air................................28
Canada 3000......................340
CCAir..................................122
Champion ............................71
Continental........................406
Delta................................1310
Express Airlines I....................0
Gemini..................................17
Hawaiian.............................90
Mesaba.................................0
Mesa.....................................0
Midway...............................310
Midwest...............................118
Northwest............................818
Pan American.........................78
Piedmont...............................0
PSA........................................0
Ryan......................................58
Skyway...................................67
Spirit.......................................22
Sun Country...........................222
Trans States............................77
United....................................1640
US Airways............................1839
Total......................................8279

 

[Pondscum]

Gemini has 45 aircrew (pilots and engineers) on furlough.

(based on a 8/14/2003 Master Seniority List)

 

[hawkerjock]

What is MEC? Corporate pilot looking in. My mom always told me there is no such thing as a stupid question.

 

[Falconjet]

MEC = Master Executive Council

MEC is the Master Executive Council for a particular airline pilot group. They are line pilots at a carrier who are voted in to represent the pilot group to the main union.

For a new union type, this is how I understand it. Could be off or over simplified.

 

[holdon]

I dont think TSA has 77 on furlough (actually hiring again) and you didn't have AA on there for almost 1800 on the street with more to come

 

[Freight Dog]

Aloha briefly furloughed after 9/11, but all those guys have been recalled 6 months later and we've been hiring ever since.

 

[Midnight Mike]

There are pilots that are on a volunteer furlough, or the other case are pilots who were recalled but could not return at the time of the recall. So it is possible for an airlines such as Aloha to have new hire classes, & yet still have pilots on furlough at the same time.

 

[jarhead]

holdon

You mention that AA was not shown on the "list" of furloughed pilots. Please note that the tally and data was stated to have been provided bt ALPA. ALPA does not represent AA pilots, as they are in the APA union.

 

[hawkerjock]

Thank you falconjet for your answer.

 

[Dash8]

allegheny putting 30 on the street in october...with more to come....

 

[HAL]

Hawaiian currently has 97 on the street, 16 more with furlough letters for Oct. 1st, and the company says probably 20 more beyond that in the fall. This totals 133 on the street out of 437, for a little over 26% without a job.

HAL

 

[TOGA]

Decent description of an MEC . . . it's the group of elected union representatives for the airline as a whole. Then, there are LECs (Local Executive Councils) at each pilot base.

Just one note on the above number of Continental Airlines furloughs . . . the vast majority of those people are now flying Embraers for ExpressJet Airlines (dba Continental Express), courtesy of our "Flow-Through Agreement". This has created a disproportionate number of furloughs and downgrades here at Express. I believe we have about 430 on the street from Express, out of 2100 pre-9/11. CAL had roughly 4,800 pilots pre-9/11. I think it works out to about 3% of CAL pilots are actually furloughed, whereas it's about 20% from Express. Pretty screwy for a growing, profitable airline. Thus goes the story of union politics and major airline outsourcing of capacity. Though it's certainly nothing compared to being furloughed, being downgraded from Captain to FO sucks pretty bad, too. I suppose the number of furloughs roughly matches the number of those of us who are downgraded.