for all of you Age 65ers

[n52gp]

What about the increase in loss of license insurance or the increased sick calls? Or the 2 months of vacation? How will that affect everyone else? If you want to work past 60, then WORK! The unions must provide provisions for these situations. If you lose your medical after 60, you should be forced to retire. If you bang in sick too many times, you should be forced to retire. I don't mind working for an an honest living; if you guys have to play catch-up, I understand. I just don't want you to do it on our backs in the form of junior-mans and extensions. If you choose to work past 60, I'm all for it. Just work!!!!!!!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

No you won't have a choice...it's time to retire...time's up!!

 

[Nindiri]

Are you kidding? When I hit 60, I'm going to start using all those sick hours I've accumulated over the years in accordance with the contract that my dues helped pay for. I'm going to be coasting those last five years.

 

[say again]

Another 37 years left before my retirement-if I make it that far!!!

 

[n52gp]

Nindiri
Obviosly (grammar) you missed the point of my post.
If you're in my senoirity range, you won't have that luxury. You'll be so beat up, your medical will be long gone!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nindiri]

That's why I'm going to need to take all those sick days. It's going to be MY turn to relax and let all you young whippersnappers do the work while I collect my pay.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

What about the increase in loss of license insurance or the increased sick calls? Or the 2 months of vacation? How will that affect everyone else? If you want to work past 60, then WORK! The unions must provide provisions for these situations. If you lose your medical after 60, you should be forced to retire. If you bang in sick too many times, you should be forced to retire. I don't mind working for an an honest living; if you guys have to play catch-up, I understand. I just don't want you to do it on our backs in the form of junior-mans and extensions. If you choose to work past 60, I'm all for it. Just work!!!!!!!

All that is something to be negotiated with your company.

Please let us know how it goes.

 

[pilotyip]

Remember

What about the increase in loss of license insurance or the increased sick calls? Or the 2 months of vacation? How will that affect everyone else? If you want to work past 60, then WORK! The unions must provide provisions for these situations. If you lose your medical after 60, you should be forced to retire. If you bang in sick too many times, you should be forced to retire. I don't mind working for an an honest living; if you guys have to play catch-up, I understand. I just don't want you to do it on our backs in the form of junior-mans and extensions. If you choose to work past 60, I'm all for it. Just work!!!!!!!

If you are lucky and things work out, you too may be age 60 someday.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas Guys,

You miss the point. It's all about them, it always has been about them.

Look at almost every pilot group, and you will see a bunch of pilots who ALWAYS make it about them.

Scope sell-outs, B-scales, special pay deals, age 60...all done by throwing others under the bus. And if you stand up and fight for what you want and they don't get their way, they sue.

Most of the age 60 guys now got hired in the mid-70s, before deregulation. Most were military, but others walked in from the farm. The rules were different, and if you didn't get hired by 30, you didn't get hired at a major. Almost all of these guys has had 30+ years at their airline, and it's the only airline they ever worked for. It's all any of them EVER knew.

These guys are very much like today's RJ newbie who complains that he doesn't want to go fly a turboprop because, gosh, he's got 600 hours, not 250. These guys will ALWAYS have a sense of entitlement, simply because they hit the industry at the right time, and never really had to bust a$$ for anything. They're a product of their envrionment

Nu

 

[snow-back]

Heyas Guys,

You miss the point. It's all about them, it always has been about them.

Look at almost every pilot group, and you will see a bunch of pilots who ALWAYS make it about them.

Scope sell-outs, B-scales, special pay deals, age 60...all done by throwing others under the bus. And if you stand up and fight for what you want and they don't get their way, they sue.

Most of the age 60 guys now got hired in the mid-70s, before deregulation. Most were military, but others walked in from the farm. The rules were different, and if you didn't get hired by 30, you didn't get hired at a major. Almost all of these guys has had 30+ years at their airline, and it's the only airline they ever worked for. It's all any of them EVER knew.

These guys are very much like today's RJ newbie who complains that he doesn't want to go fly a turboprop because, gosh, he's got 600 hours, not 250. These guys will ALWAYS have a sense of entitlement, simply because they hit the industry at the right time, and never really had to bust a$$ for anything. They're a product of their envrionment

Nu

Don't worry. You'll be "them" in about 30 years.

 

[NuGuy]

Don't worry. You'll be "them" in about 30 years.

Nope, because when I was brought up, I was taught the difference between right and wrong, and that I should maybe consider the effect of my actions on other people.

Unlike the "there is no right or wrong, just what makes you feel good" hippie jive these people were apparently brought up with.

Some "generation" they got there...

Nu

 

[dooork]

Nope, because when I was brought up, I was taught the difference between right and wrong, and that I should maybe consider the effect of my actions on other people.

Unlike the "there is no right or wrong, just what makes you feel good" hippie jive these people were apparently brought up with.

Some "generation" they got there...

I'll go along with the "retire at 60" when I get my FULL social security benifits and all other benifits that people get when they retire at 65-70 at "60"!!

 

[BigMeat]

Im going to retire when I hit 60, or before if I can save enough! Life is too short to work forever....

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

Im going to retire when I hit 60, or before if I can save enough! Life is too short to work forever....

The sad part is that it will take flying past the age of 60 for the junior guys just to make up for the income lost in part by the stagnation caused by the increase to Age 65. For a great many of us, it will mean working an extra five years for only a couple of years extra pay. Another great screw job brought to you by the generation of pilots that damaged the younger pilots in the 80’s with the B-scale!!

Another great unknown is how going out at age 60 in the future will be treated in the pension plans. Will it be treated the same way now that going out at 55? I.e. Will it be seen as leaving five years early with penalties attached?

If you don’t like the above injustices to the junior folks, write your congressman now and let them know your views. The details are being drawn up now. How fair is it that the very senior get to receive a complete windfall (and correct the pilot shortage for five years for management), while the junior guys on the property and at the regional’s take it in the shorts?

AA767AV8TOR

 

[SWA GUY]

If you're broke at 60, you'll be broke at 65 too....

That's why I'm gonna retire at 55.

 

[jdec141]

I'll go along with the "retire at 60" when I get my FULL social security benifits and all other benifits that people get when they retire at 65-70 at "60"!!

its pretty sad that anyone in our industry will need to rely on those social security benefits to survive.

you've got to be kidding me!

 

[bluefishbeagle]

its pretty sad that anyone in our industry will need to rely on those social security benefits to survive.

you've got to be kidding me!

The age sixty rule basically says that at that age you no longer can do your job safely and you MUST retire. Fine, then that person deserves full retirement even SS. That or be able to work until 65. Which would you prefer?

If I'm not mistaken that's what the poster meant.

 

[jdec141]

The age sixty rule basically says that at that age you no longer can do your job safely and you MUST retire. Fine, then that person deserves full retirement even SS. That or be able to work until 65. Which would you prefer?

If I'm not mistaken that's what the poster meant.

there won't be ss by the time I retire at the rate it is going and i'm not planning on needing it. I certainly wouldn't use that small amount of money as an incentive or an excuse to justify working past 60.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

there won't be ss by the time I retire at the rate it is going and i'm not planning on needing it. I certainly wouldn't use that small amount of money as an incentive or an excuse to justify working past 60.

Maybe it won't be there for you but that's something you need to take up with your government. SS is not charity, you earned it, you paid it, and the amount most people get back is only a fraction of what they paid in.

You'd be surprised how many millionaires are collecting SS.

You may not be planning on using it but that's as much luck of the draw as it is careful planning.

As for using it as an excuse to work past 60 I didn't read that in the post, what I read was that if the system is going to can a pilot at 60 due to perceived physical imparities then that's as good a reason to start SS as any other.

You may say "go get another job" but unless it's at the same pay or more it's no deal. SS is paid on what you earn the last five years. To go from $200k a year to say 50K a year until age 65 would cut your SS in half when you started to draw.

Don't you just love the "system"?