Focus Air Second Officer

[Draginass]

Are you referring to dragon breath?

I guess if you can't make your arguement stick, you resort to elementary school namecalling. Very mature. This is too easy. Keep digging.

 

[JohnnyP]

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Draginass,

What I do agree with is that it would be out of line to put a 250hr piston pilot into a 747, panel or not, which is what I gather this SO program is. But, like i said before you gotta be new to the 747 at some time or another, and I guess im not sure where one would go to cut their teeth on a 747, other than a lower tier freight operation. I dont think guys are going to cathay or united to get initial 747/heavy time, then going onto one of the miami freight operator's heading down to latin america. I would think it would be a normal progression for someone looking to get into a 747 to get hired on by one of the cargo operators doing mainly international work. But then again, not having any heavy time myself I dont really have a dog in this one, just an outsiders perspective. Its possible I may be way off base, its happened before.

 

[kevdog]

I guess if you can't make your arguement stick, you resort to elementary school namecalling. Very mature. This is too easy. Keep digging.

Didn't know I had an argument. Keep blowing the smoke up your ass.

 

[Draginass]

Draginass,

What I do agree with is that it would be out of line to put a 250hr piston pilot into a 747, panel or not, which is what I gather this SO program is. But, like i said before you gotta be new to the 747 at some time or another, and I guess im not sure where one would go to cut their teeth on a 747, other than a lower tier freight operation. I dont think guys are going to cathay or united to get initial 747/heavy time, then going onto one of the miami freight operator's heading down to latin america. I would think it would be a normal progression for someone looking to get into a 747 to get hired on by one of the cargo operators doing mainly international work. But then again, not having any heavy time myself I dont really have a dog in this one, just an outsiders perspective. Its possible I may be way off base, its happened before.

The demographics of the tramp freighter outfits change (as you would expect) with the hiring patterns of the industry in general. Six years ago, the good paying carriers were hiring and attracting those with the best experience and credentials. In the past few years, with the massive furloughes from the majors, the supply of well-experienced pilots and lack of decent companies to work for meant a good supply of experience for the freighter outfits.

Several people on this board aren't reading close enough. I'm not avocating that you have to have 747 experience to fly a 747. Many of the 747 freighter crewmembers have lots of great previous experience in 727s, DC-8s, 737s or whatever, and flying internationally. That's great experience and and a good record there would lead me to believe that person would be also an easy fit in the whale. If I have a 727 captain or FO flying internationally with 15 years experience, a great attitude, personality, and record, and I've got an 7 year of 121 experienced Saab Captain flying almost exclusively in the US, also with a great attitude, personality and record, I'm going to go with the guy that has the proven experience closest to what I'm going to be asking him to do. It's only common business sense. I realize that may rankle some of the younger pilots out there, but the young guys don't have a monopoly on attitude and desire.

With regards to putting a very young pilot in a flight engineers panel for a year, AFTER a year of mailroom duty, that not right. Young and inexperienced pilots need to fly, and fly alot . . working themselves into more and more complex and demanding aircraft and flight environments. I think this second officer program is setting up some good guys to fail by ignoring their basic development in the profession.

 

[big_al]

the simple answer is for these companies that do anything for the bottom line is younger guys demand less $$ and are far easier to screw over and take it

 

[McNugget]

Arrogance, a low maturity level, and inexperience does not serve a pilot well in a demanding flying environment.

You got a problem I can help you with?

 

[Draginass]

You got a problem I can help you with?

Congrats. You've graduated to junior high. Kevdog must have handed you the shovel.

 

[McNugget]

That's what I thought, nothing but a punk.

 

[Draginass]

Me a punk? You're the one with your doll collection as your avatar.

This really is too easy.

 

[McNugget]

Me a punk? You're the one with your doll collection as your avatar.

This really is too easy.

You're pretty funny dude......