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Brick1

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Looks like the wheels are just about ready to fall off this S... wagon. I am looking for the finer points of how to start finding info on interview proceedures/requirements for the majors...including jet blue. Also looking for inputs on the ATP vs Type thing. Not really set on any A word at this time but my exit timing is coming up and I have to start the planning...
 
"proceedures/requirements for the majors...including jet blue"

uh oh...

I am sure folks at JB will be glad to know that you don't consider them a major but are willing to work for them nevertheless.


O-r
 
Brick1...

Brick1 said:
Looks like the wheels are just about ready to fall off this S... wagon. I am looking for the finer points of how to start finding info on interview proceedures/requirements for the majors...including jet blue. Also looking for inputs on the ATP vs Type thing. Not really set on any A word at this time but my exit timing is coming up and I have to start the planning...

PM me, I'm in the process right now.
 
Ah yes, I love being the new guy. From the other forums on this site I see that many individuals like to "pick fights" so sorry if I offended anybody. I forgot that civilian aviation is just like the military. Everybody thinking their jet/company is the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** even when their own **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** isn't in a bag. Anyway, I'm still looking for any info...maybe you should put in a request to have JB listed as a major...even though they aren't.
 
whoa whoa whoa there Brick! I am a military bubba like yourself... no need for the potty mouth.

Just trying to give you some pointers as you start your transition. Perhaps my tone was a bit poor... I admit that. Rather than say I am looking for help with getting to the majors, "including JetBlue", I might have gone the route of..."Hey, I am interested in airline x,y, and z... anybody got advice". Semantics you say... yes probably, but there is very little room for error nowadays.

just my $0.02.

good luck

O-r
 
FYI, JetBlue is now a major, but they do not like potty mouth or people who can not spell. Geez, get your act together FNG!
 
Hey, you also might want to get your commercial multi instrument or ATP. That might help you out! Single engine stuff does not go over very well at Majors, even JetBlue.
 
First off you need to stay current w/the industry. For example, JetBlue became a major last summer. Also, AirTran just made it to the "majors" as well!

You probably need to start out by reading everyone's annual reports, getting your medical & ATP, and filling out some online applications.

MP
 
MercuryPilot said:
First off you need to stay current w/the industry. For example, JetBlue became a major last summer. Also, AirTran just made it to the "majors" as well!

You probably need to start out by reading everyone's annual reports, getting your medical & ATP, and filling out some online applications.

MP

1800 hours might not look too good on the resume/be competitive (even though it's military) and since the majority of the majors are not hiring, you might wanna look somewhere else.

Hey, I'm just busting your balls, good luck!
 
I'd start by getting your ratings in order. It's easy to get the ATP...go to www.allatps.com to get going. The sooner the better. If you're planning on applying to SWA, get your 737 type rating. I recommend these dudes: www.crewpilottraining.com I had a good experience (sts), they were cheaper than some others, and it was low threat. If you're applying to FDX, get your FE written. Allatps can do that, too. They have some package deals.

Get your apps in online and contact all your bros at the airlines you want to work for. The bro system is alive and well. It's not true there is a super secret handshake at Fedex, but you do have to 3 recs from guys that work there, 2 of which have to have flown with you. You'll do better if you have a separation date. If you go in with, "well, I'll get out if you hire me, but stay in if you don't," it just doesn't seem to work. I think you'd be better off having a date, and if things don't work out, begging to stay in longer. Good luck, bro. I know how stressful it is, but make a decision, bust your ass, and START EARLY.
 
Ivan's right on the mark. Start NOW getting your ATP (I, too, did the 4 day AllATPs course with the ATP written, ATP practical, and FE written), as you can't really start applying anywhere without it. Once you've covered the basics so you can start sending out resumes, I'd focus on getting a Guard/Reserve job lined up. That will do 5 things for you.... 1. Keep you current, 2. Build you up to more competitive time, 3. Be an excellent network, 4. Keep the bills paid. and perhaps most importanly 5. Get you off active duty. In your spare time you can start on all the other stuff, such as......

-Getting your restricted radiotelephone operator permit
-Researching 10 year residence and employment history
-Requesting high school and college transcripts
-Requesting drivers records from the NDR as well as all states in which you've had a licence
-Requesting your FAA records (assuming you've had an FAA ticket before)
-Building (or rebuilding) your personal network
-Getting letters of rec from said network
-Tracking down your marrage, birth, etc records
-Buying a suit
-Reading some "how to interview" books
-Getting a passport, if you don't already have one
-Surfing flightinfo.com

Best of luck......
 
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Now that's the skinny I was looking for. On a good note, I just bought my suit from Mr. Oh in Korea...other than that, I have a ways to go. I'll let you know when my S... in a sock...
 
Brick1,
I'm in almost the same boat you are. When I get out next March, I'll have about 2300TT. My PIC time will only be about 900. Yours is probably more.

Anyway, I feel my quals are a little low for most of the bigs. I may have to suck it up for a year in a smaller operation to push my PIC time up a little. The pay will probably suck, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

If you really want to know who is legacy/major/regional/etc and what they pay, go to http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/44/36/

If anyone thinks my info is way off, I'm sure you won't hesitate to tell me.
 
Just seeing that list make me cringe! I spent over 10K to get 5 interviews with different airlines, but to get hired that's what you have to do.

Just a side note. I joined Air. Inc as well. Alot of people say bad things about them and I agree with most of it. They take money from guys looking for jobs, throw some books and job fairs at them, and there is no guareatee of getting an interview with anyboby, but after one job fair in LA, I had 2 interviews set up for American Eagle and ASA and got 2 more phone calls a week later form Cathay Pacific and SWA. Could have been coincidence on the phone calls, but maybe not. Even if you are not interested in a regional you can at least get some interview practice and use them as a backup. You don't need to be a member to visit a job fair, but the price is lower and the books they give you helped me write a good resume and gave me contact information. Also I got a $500 discount on my type rating from Aeroservice which covered the cost of my membership. Not a bad deal.

In addition to the above list:

Get a good resume built

Get you log book on a spredsheet and keep it up to date.


Some airlines let you do a conversion factor. Jet Blue is add .3 per sortie and SWA is add .3 per flight hour. That maybe reversed, sorry, but with a spreadsheet program it easy to tailor your log book for each airline you interview with.

Also, the reserves ROCK! I have basically been non stop flying since last July doing alot of extra drills and getting active duty for weeks at a time. To be able to get the time off you need to interview and leave when you go to ground school is HUGE! Tough to get on with a good flying unit, but rush your buddies and set up a good network.
 
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Actually, JB uses a multiplier of 1.3 for your military time. Can't speak for the other companies.

I'd recommend one AIR Inc job fair but not joining the Kit Darby "Union." Also, use Aaron Hagan for your interview prep over AIR Inc. Don't forget that if you qualify for the GI Bill you can get some $$$ towards your type. If you don't qualify now you will qualify once you become a Reserve/Guard pilot. Get a copy of the Reservists almanac. Check Amazon.com for a copy or your Exchange.

MP
 
kevdog said:
Hey, you also might want to get your commercial multi instrument or ATP. That might help you out! Single engine stuff does not go over very well at Majors, even JetBlue.

Single engine stuff??? He's got OA-10 and T-38 listed as aircraft flown. WTF?? Also, I know quite a few F-16 pilots who were scooped up by "Majors" quite successfully.
 
Come on...the thing said list everything you have and when you only have the one inch can opener...well, you need to list it all. 200 hrs single engine still counts...1800 A/OA-10/AT-38. Be happy I didn't list my glider time...trying not to scrape all the way to the bottom.

Good words from all...much appreciated...starting to realize this will be a long hall...but it's better than the B.S. active duty stuff I'm seeing.
 
AdlerDriver said:
Single engine stuff??? He's got OA-10 and T-38 listed as aircraft flown. WTF?? Also, I know quite a few F-16 pilots who were scooped up by "Majors" quite successfully.

Easy man, just noticing that he only has his single listed in his ratings. Last I knew, military pilots do not get FAA licenses. Am I correct?
 
kevdog said:
Easy man, just noticing that he only has his single listed in his ratings. Last I knew, military pilots do not get FAA licenses. Am I correct?

Commercial license requires an equivalency test (subset of the full commercial) and verification of qualifications and currency from your logbook and training records. Commercial not required for mil to get an ATP if they meet the qualifications and currency requirements for commerical equivalency and for the ATP, and pass the ATP written and practical.
 
Spot on with the above...new guys being screened for UPT also have some option of getting their single engine at Gov expense...
 

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