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skyward80

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I've searched far and wide on this board and others, but I am having trouble understanding the relationship between NJA and int'l flying (other than Canada and Mexico) and NJI and the type of flying that division does.

Is most of the int'l flying outside of Canada and Mexico supposed to be handled by NJI? Does NJA ever do any int'l flying (once again, other than Canada and Mexico)? I've gotten the impression through my reading that there is a little bit of overlap, but I'm not sure this is the correct impression.

Thanks in advance!
Skyward80
 
NJI is the Gulfstream IV/SP, 450, and 550 aircraft and they go where ever the owners want to and they have the range/fuel stops to get to... At NJA the larger aircraft with longer range (not going to take an Encore to Europe) do go overseas but I don't know how much and how many owners want to. But I have heard a NJA Citation X on the NAT tracks while I was on an Air Force mission....
 
So, if I wanted to buy a NetJets share and I knew most of the flying I wanted to do was outside of the US, Canada, and Mexico, the sales person would likely sell me a share on a NJI jet.

On the other hand, if I spend most of my time in the US, Canada, and Mexico with the occasional jaunt to Europe or Asia, I would be a prime candidate for a NJA jet.

Is that correct? I realize there are probably a lot of smaller details I've left out. I just wanted to get a grip on the "big picture" relationship between NJA and NJI.

Thanks again!
Skyward80
 
It all depends on your typical trip, amount of people, and dollars available. The company offers guaranteed upgrades on airplanes so saying that they would try and sell you a share on a G-something isn't entirely accurate.
 
If you fly for NJI or the BBJ, any continent in this planet is fair game. God only knows where you'll end up, talked to G550 crew last week, they were doing Portland-Osaka.

At NJA

Falcon 2000/EZ, G-200- you'll go to Europe once in a while, do some South America and lots of Caribbean.

X, Sovereing- Lots of Caribean, some South America, and Hawaii/Alaska

Hawker 800-Caribbean, Canada, Mexico, Central America
 
Skyward80

From the owner's perspective I don't think you would see much difference between NJI and NJA. The uniforms are the only thing I can think of. I have flown a lot of GIV owners in the Hawker. All they needed was something small for husband and wife to go on a vacation in the Bahamas or didn't need the GIV to do a business day trip.
 
Pretty much all our aircraft can do and will do the Caribbean. One of the biggest advantages NetJets has over everyone else is the ability to easily upgrade or downgrade into such a huge variety of aircraft in order to do whatever fits your mission best.
 
It doesn't matter

It all depends on what the owner (passenger) wants.

If they REALLY like their Ultra, and want to do a trip around the world in the Ultra, we can do it.

If an owner REALLY likes their GV, they can take it from HPN to TEB.

Don't make it more difficult that it needs to be. It is what ever the owner wants.
 
The X does a lot of HI and a fair amount to Europe. I would say on average at least a trip a day to or from Europe.
 
fischman said:
It all depends on what the owner (passenger) wants.

If they REALLY like their Ultra, and want to do a trip around the world in the Ultra, we can do it.

If an owner REALLY likes their GV, they can take it from HPN to TEB.

Don't make it more difficult that it needs to be. It is what ever the owner wants.
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Ok. I'll bite.

"I want to go to Maui in the Ultra. And make departure time 4 hours from now."
:nuts:
 
skyward80 said:
I've searched far and wide on this board and others, but I am having trouble understanding the relationship between NJA and int'l flying (other than Canada and Mexico) and NJI and the type of flying that division does.

Is most of the int'l flying outside of Canada and Mexico supposed to be handled by NJI? Does NJA ever do any int'l flying (once again, other than Canada and Mexico)? I've gotten the impression through my reading that there is a little bit of overlap, but I'm not sure this is the correct impression.

Thanks in advance!
Skyward80
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From the customer's perspective, there is no difference between NJI and NJA. They decide what aircraft they want to buy a share in. If they want a GIV/GV, NJI. Anything else, NJA. If their aircraft is unavailable, they have the option of taking whatever NetJets Owner Services offers them or waiting for their jet.
 
What if the owner buys a share in a NJA aircraft that can't make Europe (say, the Beech 400) and now they decide that they absolutely need to go to Europe... will NJA bump them up into the next most capable aircraft to make that flight (say, the X)? I guess they would have to pay the difference and what not... or do a LOT of hops.

BTW, thanks to all the NJA/NJI guys/gals answering everybody's questions in this thread and others. We NJA-wannabe's appreciate it!

Skyward80
 
If the owner wants a larger aircraft, they can certainly pay for it.
 
There are many owners who own shares in more than one aircraft. Very easy for someone to have a smaller share in the Gulfstream and larger share in something else---as long as they are willing to pay for it.
 
skyward80 said:
What if the owner buys a share in a NJA aircraft that can't make Europe (say, the Beech 400) and now they decide that they absolutely need to go to Europe... will NJA bump them up into the next most capable aircraft to make that flight (say, the X)?
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You bet. It's subject to availability, but if there's a plane available, an owner can upgrade to it. (I'm sure there's some conversion factor -- like 1 hour in an Excel buys 0.620186 hours in an X or something... I have no idea what the exact numbers are, though.)

It goes both ways, too. If a Falcon owner only needs a smaller plane for a particular mission, for example, we can do that. That way, he can save some of his share value, rather than wasting it on a 10-passenger plane just to go by himself on a short day trip. While upgrades are subject to availability, downgrades are always available.
 
I can see why people would enjoy fractional ownership over owning their own aircraft. It just makes sense.

Skyward80
 
I've been down to the islands 3 times in the last two tours. Once included an RON; too bad we got in late in the day and the wx totally sucked, but it was neat none the less. Been down to Cabo in the mighty U-Boat as well.
 
skyward80 said:
What if the owner buys a share in a NJA aircraft that can't make Europe (say, the Beech 400) and now they decide that they absolutely need to go to Europe... will NJA bump them up into the next most capable aircraft to make that flight (say, the X)? I guess they would have to pay the difference and what not... or do a LOT of hops.

BTW, thanks to all the NJA/NJI guys/gals answering everybody's questions in this thread and others. We NJA-wannabe's appreciate it!

Skyward80
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A NJ sales rep at PBI told me that there are "conversion factors from one fleet to another for an hourly occupied rate". He didn't give specifics on that but when I posed a very similar question to yours, the response was "we would uprade the owner to a larger aircraft or recommend purchasing a Marquis Card for their occasional international needs...".

A lot of owners at NJA will cheat the system. What I mean is if say for example a Citation X owner books a trip to India. Well we all know that although this can be done, the X is not ideally suited for this mission. The owner knows this and is banking on NJA to roll in to town with a GIV or V. The owner plays the card "well I requested my X take me to India, I am not paying for the difference". (before you tell me they are rich and that they wouldn't care about the price difference, read on)

However this sometimes backfires on the owner because there have been cases of "a-team" crew members taking the X to all over the world...
 
VVJM265 said:
I've been down to the islands 3 times in the last two tours. Once included an RON; too bad we got in late in the day and the wx totally sucked, but it was neat none the less. Been down to Cabo in the mighty U-Boat as well.
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No wonder why I haven't been going! Quit hoggin!!

:nuts:
 

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