Flying Int'l at NJA?

[fischman]

Ok. I'll bite.

"I want to go to Maui in the Ultra. And make departure time 4 hours from now."
:nuts:

smarta$$. :smash:

 

[BlueandWhite]

I've searched far and wide on this board and others, but I am having trouble understanding the relationship between NJA and int'l flying (other than Canada and Mexico) and NJI and the type of flying that division does.

Is most of the int'l flying outside of Canada and Mexico supposed to be handled by NJI? Does NJA ever do any int'l flying (once again, other than Canada and Mexico)? I've gotten the impression through my reading that there is a little bit of overlap, but I'm not sure this is the correct impression.

Thanks in advance!
Skyward80

From the customer's perspective, there is no difference between NJI and NJA. They decide what aircraft they want to buy a share in. If they want a GIV/GV, NJI. Anything else, NJA. If their aircraft is unavailable, they have the option of taking whatever NetJets Owner Services offers them or waiting for their jet.

 

[skyward80]

What if the owner buys a share in a NJA aircraft that can't make Europe (say, the Beech 400) and now they decide that they absolutely need to go to Europe... will NJA bump them up into the next most capable aircraft to make that flight (say, the X)? I guess they would have to pay the difference and what not... or do a LOT of hops.

BTW, thanks to all the NJA/NJI guys/gals answering everybody's questions in this thread and others. We NJA-wannabe's appreciate it!

Skyward80

 

[fischman]

If the owner wants a larger aircraft, they can certainly pay for it.

 

[BlueandWhite]

There are many owners who own shares in more than one aircraft. Very easy for someone to have a smaller share in the Gulfstream and larger share in something else---as long as they are willing to pay for it.

 

[CA1900]

What if the owner buys a share in a NJA aircraft that can't make Europe (say, the Beech 400) and now they decide that they absolutely need to go to Europe... will NJA bump them up into the next most capable aircraft to make that flight (say, the X)?

You bet. It's subject to availability, but if there's a plane available, an owner can upgrade to it. (I'm sure there's some conversion factor -- like 1 hour in an Excel buys 0.620186 hours in an X or something... I have no idea what the exact numbers are, though.)

It goes both ways, too. If a Falcon owner only needs a smaller plane for a particular mission, for example, we can do that. That way, he can save some of his share value, rather than wasting it on a 10-passenger plane just to go by himself on a short day trip. While upgrades are subject to availability, downgrades are always available.

 

[skyward80]

I can see why people would enjoy fractional ownership over owning their own aircraft. It just makes sense.

Skyward80

 

[VVJM265]

I've been down to the islands 3 times in the last two tours. Once included an RON; too bad we got in late in the day and the wx totally sucked, but it was neat none the less. Been down to Cabo in the mighty U-Boat as well.

 

[Taildraggaah]

What if the owner buys a share in a NJA aircraft that can't make Europe (say, the Beech 400) and now they decide that they absolutely need to go to Europe... will NJA bump them up into the next most capable aircraft to make that flight (say, the X)? I guess they would have to pay the difference and what not... or do a LOT of hops.

BTW, thanks to all the NJA/NJI guys/gals answering everybody's questions in this thread and others. We NJA-wannabe's appreciate it!

Skyward80

A NJ sales rep at PBI told me that there are "conversion factors from one fleet to another for an hourly occupied rate". He didn't give specifics on that but when I posed a very similar question to yours, the response was "we would uprade the owner to a larger aircraft or recommend purchasing a Marquis Card for their occasional international needs...".

A lot of owners at NJA will cheat the system. What I mean is if say for example a Citation X owner books a trip to India. Well we all know that although this can be done, the X is not ideally suited for this mission. The owner knows this and is banking on NJA to roll in to town with a GIV or V. The owner plays the card "well I requested my X take me to India, I am not paying for the difference". (before you tell me they are rich and that they wouldn't care about the price difference, read on)

However this sometimes backfires on the owner because there have been cases of "a-team" crew members taking the X to all over the world...

 

[FLYLOW22]

I've been down to the islands 3 times in the last two tours. Once included an RON; too bad we got in late in the day and the wx totally sucked, but it was neat none the less. Been down to Cabo in the mighty U-Boat as well.

No wonder why I haven't been going! Quit hoggin!!

:nuts: