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[j41driver]

You took some of ACA/FlyI flying...

ACA never had flying of its own until FLYi happened...it was all UAL's or Delta's. They didn't take it.

 

[HawkDrvr]

Well, I have to say this thread has at least been educational. I've found it amazing how unemployment pays more than first year at ASA (and many others) and yet still, we can point fingers at another airline and with a straight face say they are bringing down the profession.

If that's the case people, IT'S ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT DOWN !!!

 

[bitememesa]

High attrition due to uncommutable schedules? Oh I'm so sorry you can't commute boo hoo... Where are you going? Bunch of babies...of course getting bought by Mesa would have been a good thing. You would have been able to keep your jobs...

Now we get to take your airplanes to Hawaii...HA!

 

[WhiteCloud]

High attrition due to uncommutable schedules? Oh I'm so sorry you can't commute boo hoo... Where are you going? Bunch of babies...of course getting bought by Mesa would have been a good thing. You would have been able to keep your jobs...

Now we get to take your airplanes to Hawaii...HA!

There's always one in the crowd here.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ramius,

Your opinion that ACA management had to go is valid, however, it is akin to an abused child and his/her parents.... it is just hard to get rid of the parents because they are the parents...

Tom and Kerry wouldn't get rid of thier baby.....they'd rather kill it...

 

[smellthejeta]

I still want to know why the BOD didn't oust the Tom and Kerry show, or for that matter, why the shareholders didn't stage a revolt.

 

[igneousy2]

High attrition due to uncommutable schedules? Oh I'm so sorry you can't commute boo hoo... Where are you going? Bunch of babies...of course getting bought by Mesa would have been a good thing. You would have been able to keep your jobs...

Now we get to take your airplanes to Hawaii...HA!

If I lost my current pilot job and could not get on with a Legacy or LCC I would go and get a day job. Anyone with a college degree shouldn't have a problem getting a job paying $3000 a month. The problem with pilots is that we like to fly, overall enjoy our jobs and we've told everybody that. A lot of professions have the problem of people being willing to do the job for less...i.e. computer programmers, lawyers, accountants...our problem is that their are people willing to pay to do our job as if it were a ride at Disney Land. Pilots are the ones going to the car dealers telling them "man I love this car...I gotta have it!"

I don't care what anyone says... pilots have screwed more pilots than any management ever has.

Our collective bargaining agreements are the only things preventing our managements from charging for our seats. Pretty soon you will be able to go onto priceline.com and bid to be a CA on your flight. R/T to LAX $300 but if you want to be the captain it'll cost you $600!

Whoever says being bought by Mesa is better than not having a job is part of the problem. Kudos to the ACAers who fought Mesa off. Kudos to the ComAir guys being the only regional pilots with the balls (and ovaries) to strike...shame on the rest of us.

Later

 

[RJP]

Very well said.

 

["Luke"]

Should ACA (FLYi) stand up against foreign ownership of airlines and not allow RB to purchase the cert? They did well standing up against Mesa and the hostil takeover attempt there.

 

[SlapShot]

Kudos to the ComAir guys being the only regional pilots with the balls (and ovaries) to strike...shame on the rest of us.

Now look where it got them. Negotiating for a good contract in good times is one thing; negotiating for a contract that allows your company to continue operating during bad times is entirely different.

 

[h25b]

Now look where it got them. Negotiating for a good contract in good times is one thing; negotiating for a contract that allows your company to continue operating during bad times is entirely different.

Good to see someone who actually knows that airlines are a business. Not some exclusive club set up to let pilots fly and get paid for it.

Should ACA (FLYi) stand up against foreign ownership of airlines and not allow RB to purchase the cert? They did well standing up against Mesa and the hostil takeover attempt there.

Yep, they did a good job. I guess it's better to proceed with an idiot, undercapitalized business model that was doomed to failure from the beginning. From reading this board you'd conclude that we have about 100 pilots that hold Harvard MBA's..

Of course, FlyI is probably being run by at least one Ivy League MBA that conjured up this idea to begin with. :erm:

 

[acaTerry]

Ah, nevermind.

 

["Luke"]

I was trying to be sarcastic with my last post. I just have a bad feeling about letting foreigners manipulate the airline industry any more than they already are. I respect RB, but…..

As for ACA doing their own thing; You don’t get anywhere if you don’t take chances.

It’s just too bad Mesa is doing so well right now, it kind of rubs salt in the wound.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/indu...hoo.com/ap/051127/regional_airlines.html?.v=2

 

[Marko Ramius]

Ramius,

Your opinion that ACA management had to go is valid, however, it is akin to an abused child and his/her parents.... it is just hard to get rid of the parents because they are the parents...

Tom and Kerry wouldn't get rid of thier baby.....they'd rather kill it...

Rez,

You're probably right as to the reasons why, it's just another one of those things that we pilots need to remember for the next 'unique' 'unexpected' or 'unprecedented' occurennce in our careers. On another note, unrelated to what went on with Indy, when did Eddie Acker leave ACA and what were his reasons?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez,. On another note, unrelated to what went on with Indy, when did Eddie Acker leave ACA and what were his reasons?

I don't have that information. He is on the BOD. I hear he is older than dirt.... Many know that Ackner was involved in Braniff, Air Florida and Pan Am.

A Senior pilot kept believing Ed whould save Indy....

Indy has days or just a couple of weeks left....


Here is Eddie A's profile... from the FLYI website....

C. Edward Acker
Director

Mr. Acker is a co-founder of the company, and is considered one of the most famous figures in the history of commercial aviation. He has more than four decades’ experience as a chief executive, and has earned a place among the biggest and most colorful names in the airline business.

He served as the Chairman of Pan American World Airways, Inc., from 1981-88, the Chairman of Air Florida, Inc., from 1977-81 and the President of Braniff Airways from 1970-1975 (starting as Executive Vice President in 1965).

In October 1991 he oversaw the creation of Atlantic Coast Airlines, and served as Chief Executive Officer until 1996.

Mr. Acker is a graduate of Southern Methodist University in Texas