FLOPS union and ME

[gunfyter]

Coming from a 121 operation. I think fractional companies push the envelope on rest more than the airlines do. All I can say, If you feel your not legal or you haven't had enough rest, call in fatigued. Recognizing the importance of flight crews getting enough rest has improved at CS over the last several years.

When you are released from duty and put into Rest. You must know PROSPECTIVELY when your rest will end.

If you are off duty at 2000L... and given a rest end and report time of 1100L the next day... You cannot be required to answer phones or pagers starting 10 hrs after you were shut down (or 0600l).

I believe only NJ and FLOPS are following the Rest Rules correctly.

 

[netjetwife]

Those Options pilots claiming not to see what the Union has done for them are technically correct. When it comes to your rest period, it's what you don't see that counts the most. So the next time that you're staring at the back of your eyelids--seeing nothing--- please reflect on the reason that is. It wouldn't be a coincidence if the two frac companies with the best track record for following Rest Rules have pilots that belong to Local 1108. Management doesn't like it but they do recognize that there's strength in numbers.

Dash and 'Dog, during their contract battle the NJ group had these same discussions about not helping management take advantage of the pilots. The education made a difference for those who were slower to realize they had the power to change their situation for the better. Some of those debates took place on this board. It pleases me to see the Options pilots now having the same debate among their ranks. I consider it a sound of progress! Hang in there! Netjetwife

 

[Pervis]

This may have been addressed already. At NJA, when shut down for the eveining, the minimum rest is ten hours. We could get a brief for duty after that, but if we are briefed for a 20 hour layover, they cannot touch us till those 20 hours are up. No ASAPs as soon as 10 hours are up. That was how our POI interprets the rules and this policy was instituted before the new CBA, when 91K was instituted. Now there is no threat of policy or FAA violations when time allows for a cold beer with dinner, and if you adjust your sleep cycle for a shift change, you don't get interupted after 2 hours sleep. One of the best work rules we have.

 

[ozpilot]

Those Options pilots claiming not to see what the Union has done for them are technically correct.

To be fair NJW, Netjets (the company, not the union) were major contributers to the development of 91K. Again to their credit, the company has complied with it to the letter from day one.

 

[Fozzy]

oz,
I think 1108/284 has their fingerprints all over 91k. We also have our fingerprints all over compliance.

 

[netjetwife]

I think compliance is better when more people are watching and a group with clout is holding your feet to the fire. Just human nature, it seems. I have no problem giving credit where credit is due, and I can see how NJ would have been better than FLOPS at compliance. They've had to answer to the pilots longer.... Options pilots are still learning how to speak up. Good Luck to them! NJW

 

[Diesel]

Actually not that I'd know anything about this but....

Compliance is best used when the pilot group is informed as to violations and then grieve it with the unions help. Without grievances the union can't show that the company is failing to comply to the agreed upon contract.

Sometimes holding their feet to the fire is not the correct action but showing the company that they aren't complying and giving them a chance to change their practices. If they fail to fix their erronious ways then the union steps in and pushes the issue up the chain till it gets done right.