Flops Pilots going after their own

[ultrarunner]

You just don't get it runner...nobody is going to get fired. All the pilots are paying dues in one form or another, so NOBODY is going to get fired. ....

Easy there OldCrow, I thought I saw earlier in the thread that you're "free loaders" were subject to termination. Apparently i read wrong.

So I get it, put these guys and girls on a 'list' and go from there in an attempt to rat them out to get your back-taxes.

By all accounts it's been reported on this thread that your 'free loaders' are a very small group. With that said, I'd be interested in how much money we're really talking about here, when measured against the Union's 'monthly take'.

Ultra

 

[wacoflyr]

I was gonna shut up, but I just can't stand this. These guys, for their own reasons, possibly ethical, didn't want a union. One got voted in any way, which I applauded. Now, even though they pay dues you guys, fellow pilots, are going after them, because they don't agree with the contract. Even worse, you state that one of the primary reasons is so that you will present a more united front to the company! Let's handcuff these guys, so we can say they are the same as us! We value appearances more than facts. Nice.

These pilots didn't support your fight, because it went against their beliefs, and you are going to publish a list of pilots who might have objected on principle, and didn't want to pay for a fight they didn't believe in. This shows a complete lack of respect for differences of opinion that your fellow pilots might have. Any idea of the democratic process in this union has evaporated. I sure hope you guys never talk about politics or religion in the cockpit.

Remember, someday, we will all, all of us be in the minority. is this how you would like to be treated?

don't tell me that you are any different than management when it comes to strong-arming pilots. I think you're better at it. You have no respect for minority opinion. And don't try to raise the flag. Individuality is dead at Flops. Lockstep guys, lockstep.

 

[onetimer]

Let me say again.....the list that will come out on Feb 1 wil be of MIGS.....is this clear... The list WILL NOT be of the freeloaders...

 

[wacoflyr]

Let me say again.....the list that will come out on Feb 1 wil be of MIGS.....is this clear... The list WILL NOT be of the freeloaders...

Right. Even a first-grader can subtract. Just how is this different than publishing the names of those who didn't agree with you? C'mon, at least be honest. Or, if you're gonna bullsh!t, be a little more clever.

No doubt I have just made a raft on enemies at FLOPS. I am truly sorry about that. But I don't like this kind of double talk. Treat your fellow pilots with respect and understanding. Don't judge them so harshly just because they believe differently than you. They still do a tough, tough job with you, remember? And they have families to feed, just as you do. Band of Brothers first. Differences after a cold one, if then.

 

[BE40Driver]

The List

It is ALL about MONEY and showing managment support, no matter what the pilots think. Maybe some of them will pay for a chance to vote for NEW Leadership at the 1108.

 

[993_Pilot]

Some of you are simply missing the point. The principled (or cheap) few who don't want to pay dues are mostly, already well known. It's the Chicken $h!t pilots that want to try and play both sides that are the only ones who truly have anything to lose here... and it's about time!

 

[Praetorian]

I was gonna shut up, but I just can't stand this. These guys, for their own reasons, possibly ethical, didn't want a union. One got voted in any way, which I applauded. Now, even though they pay dues you guys, fellow pilots, are going after them, because they don't agree with the contract. Even worse, you state that one of the primary reasons is so that you will present a more united front to the company! Let's handcuff these guys, so we can say they are the same as us! We value appearances more than facts. Nice.

These pilots didn't support your fight, because it went against their beliefs, and you are going to publish a list of pilots who might have objected on principle, and didn't want to pay for a fight they didn't believe in. This shows a complete lack of respect for differences of opinion that your fellow pilots might have. Any idea of the democratic process in this union has evaporated. I sure hope you guys never talk about politics or religion in the cockpit.

Remember, someday, we will all, all of us be in the minority. is this how you would like to be treated?

don't tell me that you are any different than management when it comes to strong-arming pilots. I think you're better at it. You have no respect for minority opinion. And don't try to raise the flag. Individuality is dead at Flops. Lockstep guys, lockstep.

There are only two sides to this question. Every man must be for the United States or against it. There can be no neutrals in this war; only patriots and traitors.Stephen Douglas

You should have “shut up”. Because while you and the rest of the pilots with whom you work, remained on your hands and knees taking it up the a$$ like the at will pus$es that you are, the pilots at Flight Options fought for a contract. Unlike you they fought for our profession. Our efforts were repeatedly thwarted by the same freeloaders that you now defend. These individuals variously undermined our collective efforts by letting our management know they would scab if called upon to do so. And in spite of the fact that they sold their souls, we have tried to forgive and have offered them a chance to make it right through the payment plan. Even so they have given us the finger. So now we are done with them.

Respect? I have none for these individuals. I have nothing but contempt. Strong arming? This implies we are trying to affect their behavior. Understand something: We don’t care what they do, say, or believe. We loath them. We don’t want to breathe the same air as they do. We don’t wish to be seen with them. We don’t care about them, because they’ve demonstrated their single minded, self-centered ambivalence and hatred toward us.

 

[shanes123]

Thats the Problem the 1108 is making it all about money..They have the Us or them attitude and thats what pisses people off. Slinghoff can play hard ball with the pilots but not with management..Thats why your contract sucks..I do agree that everyone should try to become Migs just so thay can vote him out and get someone in there that can stand up FOR the Pilots not at the pilots..

 

[dime line]

Thats the Problem the 1108 is making it all about money..They have the Us or them attitude and thats what pisses people off. Slinghoff can play hard ball with the pilots but not with management..Thats why your contract sucks..I do agree that everyone should try to become Migs just so thay can vote him out and get someone in there that can stand up FOR the Pilots not at the pilots..

And where were you all this time?

 

[BE40Driver]

Migs

I bet there are more migs out on furlough that don't pay dues than are flying the line. That is why they want to put targets on them.