FLOPS pilots doing overtime!

[brokeflyer]

I don't understand your holier-than-thou, I'm the captain approach to responding to me. Nor does your lack of understanding about CRM make you look less ignorant (i.e. the right seater doesn't just "get coffee for you" and "tune the radios"). You seem have a lot to learn about aviation, it's not the 60s, man.

like he said....you dont "get it"

there is alot more to being a captain then you think.

Id be glad to help you learn. And it aint got anything to with swinging the gear or gettin me coffee. Everyone else understands, but you dont.

Its your attitude that is poor. Instead of saying "yeah that sucks" or "I agreee with that" you like to pick fights. That tells me that YOU have a lot to learn, and what you need to learn, dont have that much to do with flying.

Everyone else knows what im talking about.

 

[993_Pilot]

Easy, cowboy. These guys are probably working OT due to heavy travel. It's not like they're working to cover the lack of headcount - like you are implying...

Obviously you don't get it. It doesn't matter what the reason is, there is NO good excuse. If management didn't have these scum doing OT, then they would have to call back a furloughed pilot to get the coverage they need, even if it was only temporary or on a contract basis!

Think about what you would want the other pilots to do if the situation were reversed, and you were the one unemployed. Don't be selfish and short sighted.

NO OT 'til ALL the furloughed pilots are back, No excuses !

 

[Pervis]

Moderators, could you please PM an explanation for the removal of my response without a word? Nothing I said was personal or proprietary.

Thanks.

 

[skyismyoffice]

NO OT 'til ALL the furloughed pilots are back, No excuses !

Can't say it any better. Get rid of the extra toys or go do some contract work. Don't STAB me in the back.

 

[skanza]

like he said....you dont "get it"

there is alot more to being a captain then you think.

Id be glad to help you learn. And it aint got anything to with swinging the gear or gettin me coffee. Everyone else understands, but you dont.

Its your attitude that is poor. Instead of saying "yeah that sucks" or "I agreee with that" you like to pick fights. That tells me that YOU have a lot to learn, and what you need to learn, dont have that much to do with flying.

Everyone else knows what im talking about.

So you say I don't get it because I'm not the kind of pilot that goes around with my d!ck in my hand saying "I'm the captain, I fly this jet - look at me". I guess just because a person is more humble than you means they don't "get it"? Well, it depends on on you define as "it", I probably don't want to.
I don't have the poor attitude, I was just raising the question of what's wrong with pilots flying OT. You haters are the ones picking fights and flaming me. Geez....

 

[skanza]

Obviously you don't get it. It doesn't matter what the reason is, there is NO good excuse. If management didn't have these scum doing OT, then they would have to call back a furloughed pilot to get the coverage they need, even if it was only temporary or on a contract basis!

Think about what you would want the other pilots to do if the situation were reversed, and you were the one unemployed. Don't be selfish and short sighted.

NO OT 'til ALL the furloughed pilots are back, No excuses !

Read your own words, buddy.

 

[dime line]

So you say I don't get it because I'm not the kind of pilot that goes around with my d!ck in my hand saying "I'm the captain, I fly this jet - look at me". I guess just because a person is more humble than you means they don't "get it"? Well, it depends on on you define as "it", I probably don't want to.
I don't have the poor attitude, I was just raising the question of what's wrong with pilots flying OT. You haters are the ones picking fights and flaming me. Geez....

I have a hard time believing you suck the same O2 that I breath!

 

[ExJmbDrv]

I don't know how you get to day 10, but at CA there are two types of overtime. The volunteer kind - which I can never bring myself to do. The forced kind - which I have only had to do when I asked in advance to be home for something important. If it is the forced kind, it is a do it or you're fired situation. Either of these usually means an extra day maybe two in freak situation.

If the guy is really on day 10 at a 7 on/7 off company, he must have some issues. He is trying to pay for something that he'll never get to use or staying away from something that he doesn't want to deal with. Either way, the act/situation itself is probably its own punishment.

If it is a one time gig to help the company during a H1N1 outbreak or a blizzard, it is forgivable. You don't want to bankrupt the company trying to get your buddy recalled. If it is a habitual issue, I hope his bad karma catches up with him soon.

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

FLOPS guys voted to strike a long time ago but won't do it. No sympathy here.

 

[993_Pilot]

FLOPS guys voted to strike a long time ago but won't do it. No sympathy here.

We will if and when we get released, but we haven't been yet. You say this like we have a choice right now.

Read your own words, buddy.

Pilots doing OT are being selfish and shortsighted... What's the problem?

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

ExJmbDrv-

The last paragraph of your 01/07 post is probably one of the best perspectives & summations on overtime I've read in years!

 

[Jack Campbell]

ExJmbDrv has it right. I am on my last week at NJA before being furloughed and don't want to see overtime abused. But if it helps Netjets to extend a pilot when needed, so be it. Selloffs are part of the business model, too. Its gonna happen. Not a big deal, so long as its not being abused.
The issue at hand is whether a pilot or a Company is abusing overtime. Different story. Cosmic Justice has a way of catching up to those guys, and rest assured, we all know who you are! uke:

 

[Fedmagnet]

That is very sad. We are struggling to put food on the table and guys are doing OT. That really pisses me off! Doing OT with guys on the street is just as bad as being a scab. Those names should be published.

Ask any flight attendant; senority #1 Bri L (skanza) and Kev K. etc.

 

[993_Pilot]

Ask any flight attendant; senority #1 Bri L (skanza) and Kev K. etc.

Pretty sure #1 BL hasn't been doing OT for a long time now, and he is a MIG too. KK is a management wanna-be and the flight attendants are their own separate group, and not part of the union.

 

[bunman45]

Same at other companies as well. You will always have your overtime w*************************.