FLOPs Furloughing????

[RNObased]

Its called a Letter of Agreement. It would just be negotiatied and stapled to the back of the CBA. Happens all the time.



Obviously, they would interview and pick the applicants they want.
I'm saying that through a LOA, NJA could set a pref hiring program with conditions...i.e. the applicant would have to be current and qualified on a NJA aircraft, hold a Class 1 Medical and CANPASS authorization, be current on the 12500 security program, etc. If so, then these pilots could be authorized home basing upon hiring. Trust me, if the NJA MEC had half a brain, they'd go after this deal like a marlin after squid.



Raytheon couldn't care less about us. They'd just make a deal to have NJA bought another 50 Horizons. Trust me, we'd (FLOPS) be cut loose in a second if RAC thought they could sell another hundred airplanes. We're the stepchild of the Raytheon family. Plus, NJA could use the threat as leverage. The only reason FLOPS exists now is to maintain the value of Beechjets and Hawkers on the used aircraft market. If we sink, RAC couldn't sell another 800xp or Bjet for 5 years. Though, what would probably happen is that the airplanes would go in ones and two to various dog-bollocks 135 operators that broker through Sentient. I'm sure Raytheon would give them a heck of a deal.

Dude the MEC at NJA doesn't do the hiring ..... So saying they should bite on some great idea of yours is crazy. By the way, the MEC does have more then half a brain.

If they tried a LOA just for you guys it would blow up in their face... Not going to happen.....

If I was in your shoes, I would be worried about the Raytheon Quarterly Report due out today.. That is going to be a true test....

 

[learflyer]

Not going to be any layoffs. they are just trying to find a way to integrate all of the retiring fleet pilots into the current fleet (finding training slots and all). this freakin internet gets everyone all worked up. flops will survive. This company just keeps going and going and going and going and screwing up and going and going and hemmoraging money and going and going and going..................I thought this place was gonna tank about 2 years ago! and going and going and going............

 

[netjetwife]

As long as frac companies can balance their budgets on the backs of the pilots they will have no incentive to control waste and run the company efficiently. Underpaying the pilots gives them lots of leeway. Now that NJ is paying most of the pilots fairly they're finally talking about costs and looking for ways to get a grip on waste that has gone unchecked for years. Unions can be the push in the right direction for management teams that otherwise will go on and on wasting money and operating with little accountability...over and over...because they can easily afford to. Make them pay professional wages and then they will get serious about efficiency. Or you can keep letting them make adjustments the easy way---out of your crew meals, benefits, and stagnant wages. NJW

 

[Apeman]

"Unions can be the push in the right direction for management teams that otherwise will go on and on wasting money and operating with little accountability...over and over...because they can easily afford to. Make them pay professional wages and then they will get serious about efficiency. Or you can keep letting them make adjustments the easy way---out of your crew meals, benefits, and stagnant wages. NJW"


This is probably the most sensible thing I have yet to read on Flightinfo.com. Now if we can just get the group to act as one, and obviously the sooner the better. I wonder how many people that chose not to vote then, would change and vote now?

 

[netjetwife]

There will always be that (hopefully small) minority that has to be saved from themselves. Some are either too fearful or to selfish to do what is best for the group. Rest assured they, too, will be thankful for a fair contract.

Yes, I've known of pilots to rue the day they cast their vote. We saw that when the NJ pilots were still in 284. Those who wouldn't see the writing on the wall changed their tune when it became a flashing neon sign... The good news is that once the group starts coming together and moving with purpose, more of those who weren't convinced in the beginning will finally get with the program.

Thanks for the compliment, AM. I think I'm more reasonable/moderate than some here give me credit for being. I'm all for professional sounding, sharply dressed crews that can make compromises when they're justified and work jointly with the company to increase efficiency. I just insist that they be treated with respect and compensated like the professionals they are. I think frac management teams have had it all their way for entirely too long. It's just common sense--the winning teams are those that work best together.

 

[Hogprint]

Guitar Guy posted:

Few people thought the HBA portion of the CBA was fair or a good idea. But as with any large agreement, the CBA had good and bad points. The HBA issue was quite clearly one of the bad points.

I don't know how true....but I like to grind the rumor mill as much as anyone...

Heard that they may be expanding the HBA's soon. Source can't be confirmed (just another line pilot with an opinion, but he said it came out of a recurr class). Take it for what it is worth.