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FLOPS/FLEX Gets New Gulfstreams and Netjets Gets...

johnsonrod

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http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-...introduceschallenger650wit.bombardiercom.html


Any more surprises expected? Will Executive AirShares be ordering Airbus Corporate Jets next?

Regardless, nice to hear some new airplanes (or improved versions of older airplanes) being developed! Sounds like several of the regular Netjets pilots on these boards were not so enthusiastic about the potential 605s coming onboard (climb performance issues?). Hopefully these Challenger 650s will work better. :)



Here's a review of the airplane below from Aviation Week:



Many have wondered what Bombardier's next step will be to retain the Challenger 605's best-selling lead in the midsize category of business jets as the type approaches its 1,000th delivery since the aircraft was introduced 1986.

Bombardier's answer is unveiled here at NBAA: the next Challenger will be the 650, a makeover of the Challenger 605 that was itself rolled out as an evolution in 2006. The new Challenger 650 leans heavily on Bombardier's experience in evolving the super-midsize Challenger 300 into the 350, with a heavy focus on comfort in the up-to-12-passenger cabin as well as improvements to the flight deck and avionics systems.

Given the response to the Challenger 350, we said we'll do the same for the 650. The scope of the changes is very similar, says Brad Nolen, Bombardier's director of product planning.

Launch price is $32.35 million in 2015 dollars, up $500,000 from the Challenger 605. That includes up to $1.5 million worth of standard equipment that is available only as options on its nearest competitor, the Falcon 2000 family, says Nolen. First delivery will be in 2Q 2015.

Highlights of the makeover include what Bombardier claims to be most advanced cabin management system in the industry (it?s the fifth Bombardier aircraft to feature Lufthansa Technik?s NICE system that also equips the Learjet 85 and 70/75 and the Challenger 350), the Vision flight deck from the Global 5000/6000 (Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 Advanced), and 5% more takeoff thrust from enhanced GE CF34-3B MTO engines to improve shorter-field takeoff lengths. The thrust boost has no impact on engine life or maintenance, Nolen says.

A new performance feature is the ability to calculate flexible takeoff thrust settings depending on field length, from maximum thrust to reduced power for longer runways or lighter aircraft weights. This is available on the Globals, and is now being introduced on the Challengers.

Standard equipment on the Challenger 650 will include:

Avionics:
SVS
FMC performance computation with single e-charts (IFIS)
ADS-B out
Lightning detection system
Flight data recorder

Interior:
Layout with four-place divan
Second handrail
Jump seat
Large galley with a 70% larger oven
Galley pocket sliding door
Iridium phone system
Bulkhead monitor
CMS with Wi-Fi audio/video on demand and 24-inch monitor

A total of 985 Challenger 600 series aircraft have been delivered since 1986, of which about 960 are still in service.

Asked if the Challenger 650 designation is a "me-too," following the Cessna Citation 650, Embraer Legacy 650 and Gulfstream 650, Nolen said not at all. We are following our naming convention, just as we evolved the Challenger 300 into the 350.
 
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Is it a rewinged 605 with more thrust? Or same wing?

Jrod, I agree that the climb performance up high is not the best but owners buy the 605 for the cabin.
 

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It doesn't sound like the cruise speed, cruise altitude, pressurization or baggage space will be improved. The 600 series Challenger's day has has long since past. This is just more lipstick on a pig. In my opinion, a Global 4000 would have rounded out the bombardier lineup quite nicely, but I think their plate is more than full with the C-Series, 7000/8000, and Lear 85.
 

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Flexjet pilots under your few page work agreement, still believe that they can't / haven't / will not change anything?

1) Confirmed, Deanna White is gone replaced with Mike Silvestro as the CEO.
a. All of the management that you have known and trusted are out. Did they not try to sale the fact that your management would remain intact to make you feel safe? Sorry for the inconvenience but we changed our mind about that.

2) Already junior Flight Options pilots are operating your biggest aircraft ahead of you with seniority protected above and beyond yours.

3) Your do not disturb or call agreement GONE.

4) Junior Flight Options pilots headed your way with the promise of Ken Ricci that they will be in the Lear for just six months and will be transitioned into the G as PIC ahead of all FlexPilots. Dedicated Flight Option crews with seniority protected above and beyond yours.

5) EMB-300 now to be marketed with the Flex store front painted in the new OneSky colors operated solely with Flight Options crews and aircraft will remain on Options certificate.

6) The entire company headquarters will be located in the Flight Options facility in Cleveland this is a fact just you wait and see. The only facility that will remain in TX will be possibly a MX base. Im sorry didn't they also lead you to believe that things would remain in TX? Sorry about your luck.

I can keep going but this is plenty for now and for all you non believers please don't take my word for it call Mike Silvestro and ask him, after all he is your new CEO.

Wake Up Flexjet Pilots.

You wander why I left? it was a question of ethics
 
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Wallpaper much? Same diatribe on three different threads.....

Sheesh.
 

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Flexjet pilots under your few page work agreement, still believe that they can't / haven't / will not change anything?

1) Confirmed, Deanna White is gone replaced with Mike Silvestro as the CEO.
a. All of the management that you have known and trusted are out. Did they not try to sale the fact that your management would remain intact to make you feel safe? Sorry for the inconvenience but we changed our mind about that.

2) Already junior Flight Options pilots are operating your biggest aircraft ahead of you with seniority protected above and beyond yours.

3) Your do not disturb or call agreement GONE.

4) Junior Flight Options pilots headed your way with the promise of Ken Ricci that they will be in the Lear for just six months and will be transitioned into the G as PIC ahead of all FlexPilots. Dedicated Flight Option crews with seniority protected above and beyond yours.

5) EMB-300 now to be marketed with the Flex store front painted in the new OneSky colors operated solely with Flight Options crews and aircraft will remain on Options certificate.

6) The entire company headquarters will be located in the Flight Options facility in Cleveland this is a fact just you wait and see. The only facility that will remain in TX will be possibly a MX base. Im sorry didn't they also lead you to believe that things would remain in TX? Sorry about your luck.

I can keep going but this is plenty for now and for all you non believers please don't take my word for it call Mike Silvestro and ask him, after all he is your new CEO.

Wake Up Flexjet Pilots.

You wander why I left? it was a question of ethics

Flex can't do anything until the IBT calls for a single seniority list. So if you are with the IBT petition the NMB for single carrier. The IBT would stand a better chance today than it would have a year ago.
 

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Hey japhy why don't all you flex guys that stand together and speak up for yourselves call the IBT stewards and get involved. Why would the IBT petition single carrier and have the flex guys vote against it. Flops needs this representation as I think it is becoming clear to flex guys. Be nice if we could all come together and get a fair contract for everyone.
 

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Way to go NJ with the decision not to buy Flexjets and let Ricci have it so they can get Gulfstreams... :bawling:

There's no "s" in Flexjet boys. And the plaque for the alternates is down by the ladies room.
 
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