Flop's Flameout

[XPGuy]

LoL. Nice.

 

[RVATOR]

I too have heard that they are or did look into trying to core lock those engines again in flight but I think we/they are missing the boat on that one, the engines core locked AFTER they shut down and the pilot pitched for 180kts, In other words slowed down alot from what they were doing and decreased the airflow through the core buy a ton, althought it was still rather cold on the outside of the can and bingo we have a hot expanded core and and cold contracting case. Its a interesting point to remember back when the other one flamed out over the Gulf that we heard that there was alot of starter/Gen residue on the engine cowling, indicating either they tried to start the hell out of the engines(which Im sure they did) but I bet some core lock could be suspected as to why the brushes in those motors wore out that way. If the cores were not spinning freely the starters would have to grunt and work pretty hard thus burning up the brushes.
If this turns out to be a big ol whale fart(I do support the methane gas theory though explains alot of the Bermuda triangle things) I wonder how we will predict, avoid, deal with that particular phenomanon(sp) Cant see what the air is made up from, need special glasses.

 

[Hobbes]

I have thought about that too....to monitor the ocean surface would be prohibitive...I think there would have to be a sensor device designed and installed in the noses of aircraft that could see large scale changes in air density ahead of an aircraft and set off an alert of some sort....I guess that is what radar kind of does already right? I wonder if a more sensitive radar setup could pickup the change in air density say within 10 miles in front of an aircraft and alert the crew if it drops below a certain level that they should turn. Also, I wonder if methane gas has any spectroscopic properties around which a sensor could be designed to see ahead and avoid. I like the radar idea best though, but I would like to know what a real engineer thinks about it.

 

[Hung Start]

I'd appreciate any updates because Citation 2's don't have fuel heaters either. Same engines, I believe.

 

[Nixon]

Before you design a solution to a problem, you have to understand the magnitude of the problem (and determine if there is a problem at all). If people suspect methane gas clouds to be adversly affecting aviation, then NOAA needs to fly around collecting air samples and show that there are actually methane gas clouds around. Once you understand the problem, you can logically solve it.

 

[FracCapt]

If you ask the people that make Prist, they will tell you that Prist is an anti-bacterial - although it has some success as an anti-ice for fuel, they don't guarantee anything.

Not anymore, they don't.

http://www.csdinc.org/prist/prod_info.htm

The anti-bacterial thing went away a while back....a few years ago, IIRC. They were forced by the govt/EPA to remove the ingredient that caused it to be anti-bacterial because it was supposedly hurting the environment.