FLOPS and XO Jet

[Myster79]

Flops new CEO denied that the talks were about a merger, anything else is possible.

That is why the scope language in the contract is going to be very important to protect the interest of the Flops pilots.

That is inaccurate. What he said was "that doesn't necessarily mean a merger" He never ruled out anything.

 

[993_Pilot]

what about Ricci's Beechjet engine conversion company? I forgot the name of it. Is he bringing some of those suped up 'Beechjets to Options?

We haven't heard anything to indicate it, but all the Beechjets we dump when the Phenom starts arriving next year will probably be picked up cheaply by someone. . . I wonder who might be interested ???

 

[RNObased]

We haven't heard anything to indicate it, but all the Beechjets we dump when the Phenom starts arriving next year will probably be picked up cheaply by someone. . . I wonder who might be interested ???

No one with half a brain in their head...

 

[jetwash]

That is inaccurate. What he said was "that doesn't necessarily mean a merger" He never ruled out anything.

I just went back to reread the quote and you are correct he did not rule it out. So it is still a possibility.
My guess is that the talk has more to do with the CL300 slots that XO has.

 

[slowtation capt]

Whatever happens with Flops and XO will be covered under scope in Flops CBA, Flops Union is going to protect their pilots when they negiotate scope for the soon to be CBA.

However, there are rumors floating around that scope is causing a stall in negiotations. However nobody has come out and provided any information has to what exactly is happening in CGF for the last 4 weeks. I thought the union said that they would tell us what is always happening. Well I think the pilot group would like to know that their current savior is stalling contract negiotations, and it looks like another possible long drawn out battle between management and the pilots.

If something is not done soon in regards to a contract, I feel for the Flops guys, as that shows there is no hope there.

Some information for your guys would be extremelly benficial at this point, because lots of pilots are wondering what is happening in negiotations for the last 4 weeks.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Some information for your guys would be extremelly benficial at this point, because lots of pilots are wondering what is happening in negiotations for the last 4 weeks.

Our MEC Chairman stated on Wednesday, I believe, that we would have an update on negotiations "this week". Depending on where you draw the line, "this week" has about 2 hours left (EDT) and we've heard nothing. Hopefully soon.

pfp

 

[HSDriver]

Whatever happens with Flops and XO will be covered under scope in Flops CBA, Flops Union is going to protect their pilots when they negiotate scope for the soon to be CBA.

However, there are rumors floating around that scope is causing a stall in negiotations. However nobody has come out and provided any information has to what exactly is happening in CGF for the last 4 weeks. I thought the union said that they would tell us what is always happening. Well I think the pilot group would like to know that their current savior is stalling contract negiotations, and it looks like another possible long drawn out battle between management and the pilots.

If something is not done soon in regards to a contract, I feel for the Flops guys, as that shows there is no hope there.

Some information for your guys would be extremelly benficial at this point, because lots of pilots are wondering what is happening in negiotations for the last 4 weeks.

The rumor is getting stronger that negotiations are breaking down. I heard that Ricci was not even in the negotiations this week and that nearly nothing was accomplished. I think the pilots are letting their guard down and management knows this. Give them some sweet talk and buy them some meals, let them vote on fancy new paint jobs. Cheap pay off to start getting rid of the union?

We still have work to do people. Continue to fly the pledge until the ink is on the paper!

HS

 

[Voice Of Reason]

It has been suggested already, but for reasons unknown the upper mgmt doesn't want that info posted at APC yet. I trust they have good reasons for this.

...like they don't want our pilots at FLOPS knowing what XO makes so it looks like mgt's negotiations with us are more altruistic than "what XO ALREADY had" when they do their shell game?

 

[clydefastly]

Would one of you XO guys contact someone at airlinepilotcentral.com and have them add your info to either the fractional or charter sections. I would like to see your info all in a snapshot.

Thanks

Hey captain dad,
Found www.fracpilots.com , xo is listed there and most of the info seems to be accurate.

hope this helps.

 

[993_Pilot]

...like they don't want our pilots at FLOPS knowing what XO makes so it looks like mgt's negotiations with us are more altruistic than "what XO ALREADY had" when they do their shell game?

I would happily settle for XO Jet's Pay, especially with a 7/7 schedule and NJ like benefits!

Hey captain dad,
Found www.fracpilots.com , xo is listed there and most of the info seems to be accurate...

Also listed in THIS THREAD.
More Specifically, THIS POST.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

My guess is Ricci sees the honeymoon is over. His charm and steak dinners only went so far, and the Union is towing the line and not budging when it comes to what's left on the table: Scope, pay, benefits, schedules.

SOMETHING is going down with XO Jet. Our scope will prohibit anyone doing our flying. That spells merger to me.

So now my guess is Ricci, who is a lawyer, is talking to his lawyers and seeing what would happen if he decided to merge XO Jet now, while the contract is still in negotiation.

The problem is, peak travel is a stone's throw away. Our pilots learned to fly the pledge last year very well. If he were to merge now, a war is what he'd have on his hands again, and sure, he'd have XO's Jets, but he won't have his own. XO Jet is now neck-deep in debt that needs to be paid. Options already has its own debt, and has shrunk to quality of scale problem-size, meaning, he doesn't even have enough airplanes (let alone the crews to fly them) to cover trips in an appropriate fashion. This means 4-hour repo's for 45 minute legs, which is NOT how we will make any money, let alone the disservicing that will occur for those repo's plus the fact of dealing with only 40% of his fleets "green".

Ricci's gonna screw up if he decides to protract negotiations and fight further on this. His best bet is to get the contract DONE. Then he will have pilots who will be more than happy to help out however they can for peak travel, will definitely go above and beyond (which will NOT happen until then), and will be happy to assist the XOJet merger - especially if their pay is better than ours, that's what an LOA is for.

If he merges without a contract, he's gonna have the smelliest sh!t sandwich he's ever seen, and an already embittered pilot group will now be even more embittered.

It isn't rocket surgery what needs to happen for the good of the Company. Let's hope he's smarter than that.

One thing's for sure. The past 4 weeks Ricci hasn't even been in negotiations and even Hertzberg's been out of the picture. Nothing's getting accomplished and the Union's twiddling their thumbs. They are just trying to wait as long as possible before flipping the switch to turn the war back on, but that's what looks like is going to happen.

Too bad. Oh, well. Where's my pen? I need to start doing exercises with my fingers so they are strong enough to handle what's coming.

 

[cherry20's]

I don't know why you guys think there is going to be a merger? Wishful thinking maybe...

 

[jetwash]

I don't know why you guys think there is going to be a merger? Wishful thinking maybe...

We saw this all before when Travel Air managers and Flight options managers were visiting each other and having discussions. All the time saying that there will not be a merger.

Then the e mail comes out saying we have merged.

 

[dime line]

Cherry congrats on getting hired at XOJet. But you haven't even done a trip with them yet (you don't even have a class date yet). There are a lot of pilots at FLOPS that have seen how the merger thing has played out, all the lies and were doing so good and poof there is the email, here is the phone number to FLOPS and on this day start using it.
You do need to know that our CEO is an XOjet guy and they have been at CGF. WHat there talking about, I have no clue. Nobody here does.

 

[Myster79]

I don't know why you guys think there is going to be a merger? Wishful thinking maybe...

NO, not wishful thinking, just experience. We have all been through this before and there are to many similarities.

We are not ignorant enough to believe a merger can't happen. We already know that our companies are talking and for whatever reason they are not discussing the meetings with the pilot groups. Furthermore, our chairman has already mentioned an acquisition.

You guys can stick your head in the sand and hope for the best. The FLOPS pilots will be ready.

 

[cherry20's]

Don't get your panties in a wad FLOPS pilots. Settle down. I just don't see it happening. Thats all I'm saying.

And I do have a class date on the 8th.

Back to sticking my head in the sand! haha

 

[GooseHZ]

5 whole mins in the frac world and cherry knows all LOL.....Cherry your name says it all...get it???



just playin......have fun in the 10.

 

[cherry20's]

its been 10 minutes... and no I don't get it???

 

[skyismyoffice]

... and no I don't get it???

haven't been fucxed yet. Get it now??

 

[cherry20's]

HAHA I got my Cherry popped!