FLL Ramp

[The_Russian]

Ok, WTF is going on at FLL.

In the morning the ground controllers issue push clearances. It seems like after 12pm every day the controllers start denying that they have anything to do with push backs, and that the ramp is uncontrolled. We all know that the ramp is an uncontrolled part of the field, but this is really messing things up. Everyone is pushing into each other, and wherever they feel like their airplane should go. This has caused some verbal abuse between pilots. And even some ramp people to fight with crews. Anyone else noticed this BS and is there anything we can do about it? IMO FLL ramp should be controlled. This place is way overcrowded with GIA, CHQ and USAir/PSA bases growing so fast.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Get rid of GIA and everything will be ok

 

[SWA GUY]

Now that's funny!!!! I don't care who ya are.

 

[C210drvr]

The problem is (at least at the Delta gates for CHQ) the ramp is uncontroled, but the rampers push u back past the ramp onto taxiway T. Thats when ground becomes involved.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

 

[CRJDog]

EMB190Pilot,

That avatar just cracks me up every time I see it.

lol

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Hey! I like yours better


HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gator1999]

Get rid of GIA and everything will be ok 02-23-2005 12:08

EMB170,
LOL...that's funny stuff!

 

[38tango]

EMB170,

where did you get that picture of Becky? (the russian)

 

[EMB170Pilot]

you mean the "guy" in the flightsuit checking his oil on a cessna 172 or CRJDog???

either way both are good

 

[Ty Webb]

Actually, there is a very simple solution to this problem. . . . . . . just stop allowing carriers to operate out of FLL that rent out the right seat. That would cut down on all the riff-raff.

Problem solved.

 

[LXJ31]

Actually, there is a very simple solution to this problem. . . . . . . just stop allowing carriers to operate out of FLL that rent out the right seat. That would cut down on all the riff-raff.

Problem solved.

Couldn't agree more.

If homebuilt aircraft have to have a placard informing passengers that it was "amateur built," places like GIA should have a placard on the front bulkhead stating that day's "high bidder" for the right seat.

 

[barnyard]

Hey my Avatar's Way better...

what the heck do you need to push back a 1900 for anyways???

Oh wait it's a pretend airline job.

 

[msuspartans24]

Actually, there is a very simple solution to this problem. . . . . . . just stop allowing carriers to operate out of FLL that rent out the right seat. That would cut down on all the riff-raff.

Problem solved.

Ty, Are you that infatuated towards GIA? I know that you disagree with what they do, but sh!t, everytime you have something to say it has to do with GIA. Seriously get over it! PFT is not going away no matter how much you hate it. Accept it and try to enjoy your job!

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, Are you that infatuated towards GIA? I know that you disagree with what they do, but sh!t, everytime you have something to say it has to do with GIA. Seriously get over it! PFT is not going away no matter how much you hate it. Accept it and try to enjoy your job!

Grow up, numbnuts. GIA doesn't affect my life, but it affects yours and every other poor slob trying to make it into this field. You should get down on your knees and thank every one of us who has paid his dues and made it to a safe haven in this industry and is simply looking out for your ignorant ass.

Ten years ago, when many regional airlines were charging newbies around ten thousand dollars for training that they were required by law to provide anyway, there was no shortage of idiots such as yourself lining up to justify it, saying things equally as stupid as your post, such as "That's the way it is. Why complain?" . Well, there was enough of an outcry that eventually Comair, ASA, Continental Express, Airlink, and others finally gave up and rescinded the whole PFT thing. Now, it's down to handful of scumbag operators, yet there is no shortage of doucheblags like yourself lining up, oblivious to history, and ready to shell out big bucks to try to claim a job that would have went to a more deserving person than yourself.

If you want to spend your money renting a seat that should go to some hard-working dues-paying person in a misguided attempt to bypass your more deserving colleagues by a couple of months, hey, knock yourself out, but keep your verbal diarrhea to yourself.

PS, Russian, if you really think you have a valid excuse for your actions, how about you quit posting under different names in a futile attempt to make it look like there are more idiots like yourself out there with such shaky principles and a poor command of the English language? Give it up.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Very well said Ty!

I had one of my old private pilot students call me up a couple months ago asking about GIA and I simply said..you go there, I will lose all respect for you. Said GIA was run by a SCAB and if you PFT you WILL be looked down upon due to the fact that others go out flight instruct, fly banners...do WHATEVER to gain experience but they work hard for it and not cut corners.

He did not go with GIA he is currently instructing and doing very well building his time......

 

[jumppilot]

Ok, WTF is going on at FLL.

In the morning the ground controllers issue push clearances. It seems like after 12pm every day the controllers start denying that they have anything to do with push backs, and that the ramp is uncontrolled. We all know that the ramp is an uncontrolled part of the field, but this is really messing things up. Everyone is pushing into each other, and wherever they feel like their airplane should go. This has caused some verbal abuse between pilots. And even some ramp people to fight with crews. Anyone else noticed this BS and is there anything we can do about it? IMO FLL ramp should be controlled. This place is way overcrowded with GIA, CHQ and USAir/PSA bases growing so fast.

Did you do PFT?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

rofl...I love watching how any thread that even so much as mentions a GIA hub turns into a PFT war. Its quite amusing actually.

 

[msuspartans24]

Grow up, numbnuts. GIA doesn't affect my life, but it affects yours and every other poor slob trying to make it into this field. You should get down on your knees and thank every one of us who has paid his dues and made it to a safe haven in this industry and is simply looking out for your ignorant ass.

Ten years ago, when many regional airlines were charging newbies around ten thousand dollars for training that they were required by law to provide anyway, there was no shortage of idiots such as yourself lining up to justify it, saying things equally as stupid as your post, such as "That's the way it is. Why complain?" . Well, there was enough of an outcry that eventually Comair, ASA, Continental Express, Airlink, and others finally gave up and rescinded the whole PFT thing. Now, it's down to handful of scumbag operators, yet there is no shortage of doucheblags like yourself lining up, oblivious to history, and ready to shell out big bucks to try to claim a job that would have went to a more deserving person than yourself.

If you want to spend your money renting a seat that should go to some hard-working dues-paying person in a misguided attempt to bypass your more deserving colleagues by a couple of months, hey, knock yourself out, but keep your verbal diarrhea to yourself.

PS, Russian, if you really think you have a valid excuse for your actions, how about you quit posting under different names in a futile attempt to make it look like there are more idiots like yourself out there with such shaky principles and a poor command of the English language? Give it up.

For something that doesn't effect your life you sure do spend a lot of time addressing it, but seriously do you have to be the biggest A$$hole about it? I never said that I was attending GIA, I was just saying that you obviously have some serious problems if you let PFT bother you this much. Disagree fine, but my God your like a bomb waiting to explode and the detinator is "GIA".

What's funny is that since I've been in the industry I have been privilaged to meet a lot of different pilots and management in the airline industry. I have asked all of them about the PFT and GIA and what they thought about it. Out of about 3 checkairman, 4 corporate capt., 20-25 FO's, 10-15 Capt., and a Senior Director of Flight Ops. only one or two of them have actually had a problem with GIA, and their biggest problem was the amount of money they charge, not the PFT. It seems to me that the majority of people in this industry doens't give a Sh!t about GIA and actually a lot of them said if they would of known about the program they would of done it as well.

If you disagree with it fine, but don't treat theses guys that attend GIA like the scum of the earth. They are pilots just like you and while they maybe approached their training a little differently, they are still in the same industry trying to achieve the same thing as the rest of us.

And this whole thing about "paying your dues". I think spending 30K or whatever it is for GIA is certainly paying your dues, it's just in a different way than instructing or banner towing etc. It's not like borrowing 30K isn't a sacrifice.

Ty, get a life and quite bashing guys who are trying to achieve their dream a different way than you did. Disagree and leave it at that.

 

[smellthejeta]

There you guys go again... Reason numero uno I will not fly for a career: Too many idiots willing to shell out way too much dough for questionable time (it ain't PIC time and you're spending how much on it?) and then running around like they should get a medal for it. If the rewards were woth it, I could understand, but you guys do that for what, a $20,000 a year job? When do you think you'll make enough to begin paying those student loans back? My ATC training cost me $3500, and I graduate in May. My private cost me twice that, and nobody hires me with a private.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Oh my God!! Your kidding right???????? (referring to msus)Well what I am not going to do is INSULT you for your OPINION. Thats cool what you think. But here is how I interpret it as PFT at GIA.

Me: I do not have a lot of money and I had to work hard and save up to get my ratings. Now that I have my ratings and have acquired my CFI and CFII, MEI..I am building EXPERIENCE and learning moer being a CFI making peanuts but hey I am having a hell of a time instructing becuase I'm also making good friends with my students. Now after finally getting the time I need to go to a 135 job...becasue after 9/11 no one was hiring. I was the last person to get hired under the "old" insurance down in S. Florida with 1200 TT and 250 Multi to fly 402s around the bahamas single pilot (Thank You God). I do that for 2 years while again, making peanuts (more than flight instructing but not that much) and after finally working hard and building up my PIC, Cross Country and multi time flying 402s while learning a lot about 135 charter and how to run a company and HOW NOT TO TREAT THE PILOTS. I would say going that route has definetly made me a much better pilot and I would not have gone another route.

Now............PFT Daddy Mommy I can get a job but I have to pay $25,000 (or however) and I sit right seat for about 250 hours but it doesnt GURANTEE me that I will get hired at GulftStream.

I, like a lot of others in this industry, go out and work hard to get the flight time and people with money can bypass all that to be put in a right seat of a beech 1900 and logging SIC time that "doesnt amount to JACK SQUAT" (quoting Chris Farely on SNL)

While working at the 135, I had maybe 3 or 4 GUlf guys come in with their resume looking for a job. What the hell is the insurance company going to say with a resume (they all had the same amount of flight time) with 500TT 250 turbine SIC 50 PIC

I mean hahahahahahahaha you WASTED $25,000 dollars. One of my fellow pilots who flew the 402s with me was dating a chick who worked at GULF and I would constantly say WHAT THE F! were you thinking and she was not happy there! And when the 250 hour approached........ She did not keep her job.

So in conclusion, GIA is a RIP OFF and should BURN IN HELL I said my peace but hey your opinion is your opinion. Again, not going to insult you for thinking that way. Just hope you realize how others view PFT.

Fly Safe Yall!

 

[Ty Webb]

What's funny is that since I've been in the industry I have been privilaged to meet a lot of different pilots and management in the airline industry.

Bwhahahahaha! In your mighty 300 hours of "industry experience", huh? You're killing me, Chief. Was any of it spent forward of coach?

I have asked all of them about the PFT and GIA and what they thought about it. Out of about 3 checkairman, 4 corporate capt., 20-25 FO's, 10-15 Capt., and a Senior Director of Flight Ops. only one or two of them have actually had a problem with GIA, and their biggest problem was the amount of money they charge, not the PFT.

All you have proven is that if you set out to get an answer you want to hear, you will get an answer you want to hear.

And this whole thing about "paying your dues". I think spending 30K or whatever it is for GIA is certainly paying your dues, it's just in a different way than instructing or banner towing etc. It's not like borrowing 30K isn't a sacrifice.

If you don;t understand the difference between "paying your dues" and "putting money in a scabs pocket to rent a seat that should have gone to a professional pilot who DID pay his dues" then we really don;t have anything to discuss.

Run along, junior, and go play pilot for a while. Let us know when you're done, so we can lift the NOTAM.

 

[msuspartans24]

Once again Ty you have proven to be nothing more than a pridefull a$$hole who has to hate anyone who differs from your own opinion.

Listen Kock Sucker! I never said that I was attending GIA. You have no clue as to what my experience is. Just because I have 300 hours doesn't mean $hit, and neither does the fact that you have 5000. How are you to know what position I have at an airline or corporate flight dept. I'm sure that a majority of people in management, and the front offices of airlines around the world probably don't even fly. I'd like to see you run your mouth to some of them. Your all talk! The day will come when you'll take that fist out of your a$$ and shove it in your mouth because your inner problems with GIA will come across to the wrong person.

GET A LIFE DIC!

 

[Ty Webb]

Listen Kock Sucker! I never said that I was attending GIA. You have no clue as to what my experience is. Just because I have 300 hours doesn't mean $hit, and neither does the fact that you have 5000. How are you to know what position I have at an airline or corporate flight dept.
GET A LIFE DIC!

Your post says it all. You are obviously too immature to be anything but a part-time lavdumper and a full-time wannabe. 300 hours, and you know it all? Most people I know have more time than that . . . . in the forward lav. What an idiot.

Why don't you log off and go play outside, before Mommy comes home and catches you on the computer and washes your mouth out with soap?

 

[Boris Badenov]

I can't speak for "the industry". However, if I'm ever in a position to make hiring decisions, no one with the GIA seat-pay scheme on their resume will ever make it. I can speak for the other industry professionals I know, and every one of them feels the same way. As you say, to each their own, but that sword has two edges. Don't kid yourself. There are very real people behind all of these keyboards, and from the looks of things, very few of them approve of your PFT scheme.

 

[Angus]

Once again Ty you have proven to be nothing more than a pridefull a$$hole who has to hate anyone who differs from your own opinion.

Listen Kock Sucker! I never said that I was attending GIA. You have no clue as to what my experience is. Just because I have 300 hours doesn't mean $hit, and neither does the fact that you have 5000. How are you to know what position I have at an airline or corporate flight dept. I'm sure that a majority of people in management, and the front offices of airlines around the world probably don't even fly. I'd like to see you run your mouth to some of them. Your all talk! The day will come when you'll take that fist out of your a$$ and shove it in your mouth because your inner problems with GIA will come across to the wrong person.

GET A LIFE DIC!

So...... why all the smoke and mirrors??

Lets hear it.... where do you work? What road did you take to get where you are right now.... and why the soft spot for someplace you have never been and something you have never done?? (supposedly)

 

[mattpilot]

you mean the "guy" in the flightsuit checking his oil on a cessna 172 or CRJDog???

either way both are good

HEY BEOTCH! You stole my avatar! >:C

Why is it that the mods deleted my avatar when i had it, but its okay for you to have it?


Anyway.. enjoy it (i got a better one now )

 

[EMB170Pilot]

LOL MATT Ever since I saw that thread on that guy and I saw his website and his pictures...I mean COME ON!!! Who couldnt make fun of him! Everyone was laughing at that guy so I had to have that pic.

Yeah your avatar of the cloud with the middle finger is pretty **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** funny!

Later

Its Biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch! not Beotch. Come on all together now....

 

[Ty Webb]

I heard it was Becky. . . . .

 

[msuspartans24]

So...... why all the smoke and mirrors??

Lets hear it.... where do you work? What road did you take to get where you are right now.... and why the soft spot for someplace you have never been and something you have never done?? (supposedly)

I currently work for a company in the PEO industry (non aviation). I did the FBO thing for my ratings and loved it. Someday I would like to fly for a living, but I have other responsibilites that are a priority over my career (wife, kid, mortgatge etc....).

As far as a soft spot. It's not so much a soft spot with PFT or GIA, it's more of a soft spot for guys like Ty. I understand the different views on GIA and PFT. I also understand that sometimes people see things differently. The difference is those people who can agree to disagree and maintain a working and professional relationship. Everyone is different, and some people choose to go a different route for their training. If you don't agree with it than fine, disagree, but don't discredit that person just because they didn't choose the same route as you or believe the same things. I do things differently at my job than some of the other people do, and sometimes they disagree with the way I do things as I do with them. Sure we may disagree, but I don't take away from their character or what they are capable of doing. Same is true for any job. If I did go to GIA (which I didn't, and if I did I certainly wouldn't be afraid to say I did) and I go into an interview for a different airline, I should be treated the same as everyone else there. If I didn't get the job it should be because I wasn't as good as the other people there. The job should go to the person who in the mind of the airline would make a better capt. I don't think that PFT is the problem in the airlines today, it's politics.

People say PFT tears down the industry, I think guys like ty and other pridefull, and spitefull pilots do. I have no problem with someone going to GIA and gaining experience. If in their mind they think that it will better their chances or make them a better pilot than good for them. If someone disagrees and chooses to go the instructing route good for them too. Whatever they need to do.

As far as the "Mommy and Daddy" paying for GIA. I highley doubt that most of those guy's mom and dad are paying. And even if they are WHO CARES! So just because someone is fortunate enough to have parent s who can pay their way through flight school they should suffer or be treated differently (and no my parents didn't pay for my flight schooling)?

Everyone has to take the same checkrides, and has to pass the same test. Time doens't mean $hit. I've flown with guys who have 50 hours and impressed the hell out of me, and I've flown with guys who have 6000 hours and I was scared for my life. If you don't have the knowledge and skills behind the time it doesn't mean anything ( I guess that's why airlines like pinnicle have been hiring those guys from GIA with 500 hours for some time now, they must be doing something right).