FLL Ramp

[rtmcfi]

Everyone is different, and some people choose to go a different route for their training. If you don't agree with it than fine, disagree, but don't discredit that person just because they didn't choose the same route as you or believe the same things.

My route did not take a job from someone else. My route does not demonstrate to mgmt that PFT is viable. I DO look down on PFT.

Everyone has to take the same checkrides, and has to pass the same test. Time doens't mean $hit. I've flown with guys who have 50 hours and impressed the hell out of me, and I've flown with guys who have 6000 hours and I was scared for my life.

I'll save the quality of pilot for another discussion. These guys do pass the same checkrides. My problem lies more with screwing evryone else into having to pay to become a pilot. For only 300 hours ttl, you sure have flown with a wide variety of pilots.

If I did go to GIA (which I didn't, and if I did I certainly wouldn't be afraid to say I did) and I go into an interview for a different airline, I should be treated the same as everyone else there. If I didn't get the job it should be because I wasn't as good as the other people there. The job should go to the person who in the mind of the airline would make a better capt. I don't think that PFT is the problem in the airlines today, it's politics.

Life is politics. The vast majority of line pilots feel as I do. We are the majority. When you come to an interview as a PFT'er, and I am on the board.......well, you will still be looking for a job after the interview. I want to hire a good captain. I also want to hire someone who I can stand shoulder to shoulder with at negotiation time. I won't take my chances with a PFT weasel. I will hire those that will back me up. I will hire those that I can get along with in the cockpit. I will choose those that have not screwed their peers. I don't particularly want to share a cocpit with someone who feels it is OK to whore themselves out. In this I am not alone. Most of the people who attempt to defend the reprehensible practice of PFT are the products of such outfits. They are attempting to legitimize their descisions, and remove their stigma. I will do my part to see that the scarlett P remains....

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Also, when those 3 PFT Gulf pilots came in for an interview at the charter job I was temporarily running while bossman was out of town, since Gulf files IFR all the time I asked them basic simple IFR questions and thsoe 3 applicants could not answer them... so WHAT EXPERIENCE is it buying? I could get into the questions and their answers but would take me too **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** long to type. I mean it made me luagh its kind of like JAYWALKING on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno when he goes out and asks people simple questions and they cannot answer them. ok ok ok 1 question I asked was what makes an airport IFR? Could not answer that....sorry move on

ok that is it for PFT I think everyone that reads this and the past post on here can see I do not agree with it. My last opinion is PFT should be banned. Be 1 less thing in our industry to bicker about.

 

[Ty Webb]

Everyone has to take the same checkrides, and has to pass the same test. Time doens't mean $hit.

Spoken like a true idiot.

Hey, here's an idea. How about I show up at your job tomorrow, and offer to do your job for free . . . no, wait, I offer to pay your employer $20,000. to let me do your job for 3 months to "gain experience" and they just let you go. Sound good to you?

As for your remarks about flight time and experience- the only people who think that time and experience doesn;t matter is those who don;t have much time or experience.

Have a nice life . . . . somewhere else.

 

[smellthejeta]

I don't think that PFT is the problem in the airlines today, it's politics.

People say PFT tears down the industry, I think guys like ty and other pridefull, and spitefull pilots do. I have no problem with someone going to GIA and gaining experience. If in their mind they think that it will better their chances or make them a better pilot than good for them. If someone disagrees and chooses to go the instructing route good for them too. Whatever they need to do.

As far as the "Mommy and Daddy" paying for GIA. I highley doubt that most of those guy's mom and dad are paying. And even if they are WHO CARES! So just because someone is fortunate enough to have parent s who can pay their way through flight school they should suffer or be treated differently (and no my parents didn't pay for my flight schooling)?

Do you think PFT is helping this industry? For all of you who think PFT is acceptable, don't forget one thing: Just a few years back, SEVERAL of the quality regional airlines used to be PFT. The only reason they dumped it was because they could not hire enough people willing to pay the cash. Why encourage them to bring it back? I'm serious.

PFT in and of itself MAY not be a problem in this industry, but do you know what is? People who are so desperate to fly that they will do anything for a flying job. That means working for peanuts, paying for it, not having the balls to tell management to screw their growth plans, give me a living wage... THAT is a problem, and its first cousin is PFT.

Besides, it's not like the 250 hours of TJ SIC time is going to replace the 1000 hours of single engine PIC time. So really, what are you spending money on? Why not spend it in an aztec or something building PIC time?

 

[msuspartans24]

Spoken like a true idiot.

Hey, here's an idea. How about I show up at your job tomorrow, and offer to do your job for free . . . no, wait, I offer to pay your employer $20,000. to let me do your job for 3 months to "gain experience" and they just let you go. Sound good to you?

As for your remarks about flight time and experience- the only people who think that time and experience doesn;t matter is those who don;t have much time or experience.

Have a nice life . . . . somewhere else.

Hey, here's an idea. How about you pull that dildo out of your a$$ and quote everything that I put in that response, not just something that you can pick apart to try and make it sound like something else.

 

[Ty Webb]

What's the matter, sucker, truth hurts? Can't address the issue?

Here it is again:

How about I show up at your job tomorrow morning, and offer to pay your company $20,000. to do your job for the next three months, to "get experience", and all they have to do is get rid of you.

How do you like what Gulfstream does, now, Chief?

What? Got no response to that?

That's what I thought.

 

[The_Russian]

This is sad!

My thread got hijacked by some anti GIA idiots. This thread wasnt even about GIA. I asked a legitamate question concerning FLL. I also asked other pilots if they felt the same why I did. You people really are a$$holes.

msuspartans24,

You see the truth. You are more open and have a little more insight to life than these morons. Don't waste your time with Ty. He is a big baby who lives with his mom. He "made it to the majors" and still cant let the past go. It is good that you see that we are all on the same playing field, even though we get there in different cars.

Ty,

STFU. You know nothing about GIA. Get off my thread.

EMB170Pilot,

YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. You are a Republic whore who gets $22 an hour for a plane that should pay double or triple that amount first year. You are no better than ANYONE from GIA! You talk too much for someone who needs to look at their self in the mirror. Those GIA pilots you talk about coming into your company are most likely a lie, because the amount of pilots it was changes every time you talk about it. If they didnt get into PCL, it was their own fault. Every flight school has lemons, and I know for a fact that GIA produces the least amount of any flight school.

When you guys come down to GIA and see how it works, you will know it is not as bad as you make it out to be. You need to learn the difference between PFT and GIA. There IS a difference. GIA provides jobs for the industry and is growing rapidly. We are on our way to 30 aircraft. I am proud to be a part of GIA. They gave me a chance when no one else would. TWICE! I wont back down from Flightinfo.com losers who bash others and spread lies.

38Tango,

YEAH!!!!!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

STFU. You know nothing about GIA. Get off my thread.

I knew about GIA when you were still crapping in your diapers, Becky, and I don;t mean last week, either. I mean when they were flying CE402's and BE99's. I also knew better than to consider going there, but that is the difference between you and me.

Treat yourself with some respect, and quit shelling out money trying to get out of paying your dues, and no, being a gas pumping wannabe who would sell her own grandmother for a few hours in the right seat of a beat-up King Air doesn;t count as "paying your dues".

Give me ten gallons of Avgas and a quart of Aeroshell, and shut your pie-hole.