FLL Mishap

[Mountain Troll]

Anybody have any intel as to what happened?

http://www.local10.com/news/15197632/detail.html

 

[Fblowjets]

Has Jet Harbor written all over it.

 

[Seadogrun]

Yes and that would be FXE.

 

[blzr]

Sounds like the MTX person in the sabre may have left the Hydraulic Master off after starting the
engine(s). In the 65, we have a clacker that will not cancel if the engine master is on and Hyd Press is below 2650psi, and/or the Hyd Master is off. I'm not sure if this warning system is on the 40/60/80 model.

Still, that was a very evpensive mistake.

 

[Fblowjets]

Yes the warning goes off on the 60 model as well.

 

[CitationXDriver]

According to witnesses the propellers on the first plane, a Cessna, were spinning and clipped the left wing of the Sabre as it taxied the tarmac at the airport around 3 p.m. Two men on a tug were pulling the second plane when the Sabre approached, according to witnesses. The men then jumped off the tug leaving it to plow into the Sabre. Those two planes then collided with a third plane before coming to a stop, witnesses said.

Ummmm.....I watched the video, and I didnt see any sign of a prop driven cessna, nor did I see any signs of a tug?? The above statement really makes no sense.

 

[Fblowjets]

A friend of mine was near the area, when he heard what sounded like a comperssor stall (sound), then some kind of metal sound. He walked out of his hanger and saw the sabre 80 crashed into another jet. Stated he saw the tug pulling a hawker with no driver and what looked like the steering wheel and seat were missing. He ran to help cause he thought the tug driver was killed, but ended up fine. The pilots were out of the sabre with there gear and walking away from the plane. He also thought hydraulics were left in off postion, I dont know about the 80 model, but its real hard to taxi the 60 without hydraulics. Who knows. I probably just made it more confusing.

Fblowjets

 

[lazyace75]

Bottom line, you need hydraulics to taxi a sabre in any fashion, no matter what model.

 

[Seadogrun]

Disclaimer: This is RUMOR and is not intended to incriminate anyone involved.

Word on the street is that in that model airplane you turn on the hydrolics and set the brake then turn it off for engine start. Then turn them on before taxi which the pilot failed to do which caused loss of brake hydrolic pressure.

The other scoop is that the pilot claims that he was taxiing to go get fuel when everyone else thinks he was taxiing for T.O. without a required ferry permit.

I guess it will make a large difference in corrective action wheter his call to ground was for taxi for departure or reposition to an FBO. Just another note is that there is FBO fueling available on the ramp that he was taxiing from.

 

[ultrarunner]

Well, that will be easy to determine, as I suspect at FXE you'd need to call clearance delivery VFR or IFR. He'd have made this call before calling ground, right?

 

[Seadogrun]

At FXE clearance delivery for IFR mostly as Ground will usually handle a VFR code if requested and only by pilots request. No contact with clearance is required departing VFR.

If he was departing IFR, just because he got his clearance before taxiing doesn't mean he was taxiing for TO. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to get yor IFR clearance then repo for fuel then taxi for TO.

So MY thought is that the call to ground would be key. "taxi for TO" or "reposition to ..." is a huge difference determining whether this is any enforcement action could be taken.

Also if he was "taxiing for TO" he would have been attempting to fly an unairworthy airplane without a ferry permint. This of course is assuming a ferry permit was required which is third or forth person informantion to me so take that for what it's worth.

 

[blzr]

Word on the street is that in that model airplane you turn on the hydrolics and set the brake then turn it off for engine start. Then turn them on before taxi which the pilot failed to do which caused loss of brake hydrolic pressure.

Still, he/she would have had they Hydraulic warning going off like crazy. The reason you "would" turn them off is so the hyd. pump doesn't kick on during the start sequence, reducing battery volts and possably causing a hot start. We keep the pump on, just go to manual and get the main and aux hyd press to to 3200 and 3600 psi respectively. then, no problems once the acumulators are fully charged

I would be curious to hear more about the pilots, the whole situation seems real shady.