Flight Time

[dmahurin]

My flight time is based on the hour meter of the aircraft, which is activated by the weight on wheels switch. No allowances for taxi time. For SWA purposes how are you guys listing flight time? Is there supposed to be an allowance for taxi time?

 

[RideTheWind]

Flight time means:

(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing

Title 14--Aeronautics and Space

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[Tip Tank]

I'm just curious as to what reason there would be for only logging hobbs meter time in one's personal logbook? I know the military guys get to apply a .3/sortie adjustment (or something to that effect) when applying for work with the airlines, but why would a civie not log according to the FARs?

Flight Time:
"Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under it's own power for the purpose of flight and ends when an aircraft comes to rest after landing."

 

[Swerpipe]

Out,off, On, In

My flight time is based on the hour meter of the aircraft, which is activated by the weight on wheels switch. No allowances for taxi time. For SWA purposes how are you guys listing flight time? Is there supposed to be an allowance for taxi time?

Best advice is to get in the habit of recording the following four times:

OUT-you move out of the ramp (zulu)
OFF-Wheels up (zulu)
ON-Touchdown(zulu)
IN-You come to a stop on the ramp

You flight time is ON-OFF
You block time is IN-OUT (log your block time)

How did you log your time when you where flying a 172? Log it the same way. Flight time is logged for aircraft log purposes. Block time is logged for pilot purposes. Our TOLD cards have spaces for OUT, OFF, ON, IN times. It's not a bad habit to get into.

 

[dmahurin]

Convenience. When you use computer software that tracks aircraft flight time, and sends it to several categories including logbooks all you are recording in a flight sheet is where you are going and how long it took.

 

[dmahurin]

Thanks swerpipe. This is going to increase the numbers significantly. So the guys from American that were taking me from Dallas Tx to Wichita KS, having waited in the deicing line for three hrs, logged all that time?

 

[Yank McCobb]

Thanks swerpipe. This is going to increase the numbers significantly. So the guys from American that were taking me from Dallas Tx to Wichita KS, having waited in the deicing line for three hrs, logged all that time?

If you bothered to read and understand the reg, it says "moves under it's own power for the pupose of flight". Taxiing to and waiting in the deice line is not "for the purpose of flight". Once they left the deice pad for the runway, then that IS for the purpose of flight.

Of course, it's your logbook. Log it however you want. Just be prepared to defend your logic if you are ever questioned about it.

 

[dmahurin]

Yank, your last sentence is most appropriated. What a great line "read and understand". I am sure you can get a discussion started on your reasoning. You must have no experience with american law! As for my "bother" to read and understand. It took me 20 seconds to have the answer to my question. It took someone 20 seconds to answer my question who was familiar with the exact FAR. That saved me 20 minutes. Time is a most important commodity. I have experience in areas that it would take others many minutes to research. That is what this message board is to me. OOPS! I just wasted the time I saved.

 

[aeolian]

If you bothered to read and understand the reg, it says "moves under it's own power for the pupose of flight". Taxiing to and waiting in the deice line is not "for the purpose of flight". Once they left the deice pad for the runway, then that IS for the purpose of flight.

Of course, it's your logbook. Log it however you want. Just be prepared to defend your logic if you are ever questioned about it.

I interviewed applicants for years and never once searched for flight times that seemed odd for the segment flown. I would not worry about it. We're splittin hairs here. If you're in the plane and it's gonna take off - log it, no matter how long it takes to actually takeoff or what you do between taxi and takeoff.