Flight Options

[Captain Overs]

Does anyone know anything about Flight Options? I heard they are hiring contract CA's off the street to fly some of their jets and they have SIC people who have yet to upgrade. Anyone?

 

[Lrjet55]

Doubtful

 

[Captain Overs]

I have a friend who flys the Legacy. He has flown with off the street contract CA's.

 

[BE40Driver]

The last day for contract pilots at Flight options will be Feb. 11 for both Legacy and Cit.X.

 

[Captain Overs]

Thanks. Is Flight Options hiring?

 

[On Your Six]

The last day for contract pilots at Flight options will be Feb. 11 for both Legacy and Cit.X.

Is this when the GIV, 601 and F50 pilots will start their transition over to the Legacy & X fleets? How long will that transition take (i.e., how long before a GIV pilot will have to give up his "coveted" GIV seat...)?

 

[Galaxy]

They cant move those guys and gals until the contracts run out on the plane as the owners are not being forces to leave their current contracts. They are just not offered to renew them. Not quite sure where they all will go? We dont have and we are not getting enough legacy's to house all those folks..I guess there will be some highly paid hawker and beechjet pilots..

 

[On Your Six]

They cant move those guys and gals until the contracts run out on the plane as the owners are not being forces to leave their current contracts. They are just not offered to renew them. Not quite sure where they all will go? We dont have and we are not getting enough legacy's to house all those folks..I guess there will be some highly paid hawker and beechjet pilots..

How many Legacies are you expecting to have on the property this year (and total)? Will the Legacies have FAs? How many X's are expected total?

 

[Lrjet55]

Contract Capt's is a little different. I knew some of the contract Challenger guys that worked there. For the most part none of the Frac's will hire of the street captains anymore.

We did at NJA but its hard to imagine a time when that will be necessary again.

 

[longrangekiller]

Flight Options has hired ONLY NINE (9) in the last eight months. FO is down to FOUR (4) operational Citation 3's. C-2, C-5, and C-3 pilots are in transition now as well as some 800A guys and gals. So, there is no need to hire now or for the forseeable future except that former RTA guys and gals are quiting or getting themselves fired at the cyclic rate. The current body of FO spawned managers are making sure that all are assimulated.

 

[matchthehatch]

Thanks. Is Flight Options hiring?

I wouldn't give a Letter of Recommendation to my mother if she begged me to help her get hired, unless her career aspirations were limited to being a Beechjet SIC for 5 years while struggling to support her family.

Can you tell I'm unhappy here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. If I don't like it I should quit. I'm working on it.

Take care

 

[Fracster]

I wouldn't give a Letter of Recommendation to my mother if she begged me to help her get hired, unless her career aspirations were limited to being a Beechjet SIC for 5 years while struggling to support her family.

Same at NJA, sort of one of those "you wouldnt wish this on your worst enemy scenarios"...well maybe my worst enemy.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Not So Fast...

..I guess there will be some highly paid hawker and beechjet pilots..

What makes you think any former large cabin pilots would remain "highly paid" (your words)? There is absolutely NOTHING in place (can you say "contract"?) that compels managment to maintain anyone's pay at a certain level.

I envision the transition going something like this:

Dear Mr. Pilot-

You will be pleased to know that we are on schedule with our aircraft consolidation plan. As expected, the last owner contract on the <insert aircraft type here> has expired. The last scheduled trip is this Friday. If you are scheduled to fly this trip, please enjoy the experience and take an extra 30 seconds after postflight to reflect on your years crewing <insert aircraft type here>.

As you may be aware, there are no PIC positions available at this time. You are being offered an SIC position in the <insert aircraft type here>. If you accept this position, your compensation will be at year <insert years of seniority here> SIC pay for that aircraft. If you require initial training for <insert aircraft type here>, you will be required to sign the obligatory training agreement. As PIC positions become available, you will be eligible to bid for those positions PROVIDED you a) have a standing bid on file; b) the 12 month seat lock in your SIC position has expired.

Thank you for your contribution to Safety, Service and Profitability, and your<insert years of seniority here> of dedicated service.

R. Sullivan
Director, Human Resources


ASAP

 

[Galaxy]

Hey, some of those guys have a higher sen# than me and make the pay due to the FOK(friends of Ken) pgm. They get what they want-they always have..Just watch this great DEB chicky we inherited from RTA-Thanks. What about all the original FLOPS FO's that dont get PIC pay. Seems that when RTA came here all of you were PIC's-like that was fair! Don't even get me started on contract pilots..

As far as ASAP-you are preaching to the choir brother. Pretty much as soon as RTA's great mgt team came in I have been in favor of a union. Would not care for the teamsters as they have doing a bang up job for our NJA friends. But something is better than nothing...Funny thing is the biggest oponent that I knew of during the start of the vote is now a 180 degree turn and jumping up and down promoting ASAP. As soon as I saw the ASAP website I have been in contact with them. They need addresses for FO pilots, so if you have an "IN" with a way to get it red rover red rover hey send it on over.....

As far as the transition letter I think you are right on it.. More firings for stupid things..The squeeze on tier 3's and possible tier 2's to make a few more quit the game or move. I don't buy this slide to poverty for one second! You are dead on pay, time off, everything will be completely up to management. -ASAP is looking for leaders-so if you are interested in leading FLOPS to them--"Sign Up".

 

[TOGA]

FlOps has been using Legacy contractors (PIC and/or SIC) since they began operating the type in late Nov of '03. Contractors have been offered continued contract work if they pay for their own 135 checkride. I don't know of any who are willing to pay the ~$8500. If they don't, 2/16 is the last day of contracting, as Part 135 begins on the 17th.