Flight Options

[Live4flyng]

Well, sorry guys, if there is a buy out it will not be NJA. The POS TA and rejection there of keep anything like that from happening.

You are right, it will be Berkshire Hathaway. I talked about this a year ago on this board and many called me crazy.

It is very important for the pilots at NJA to get this contract right this time. It will have an effect on at least (1000?) pilots. If the scope section of the TA isn't fixed, they may try to run Options as a non-union paralel operation similar to NJI. Our crack MEC defined the parent company of NJA as NJ Inc in the TA, instead of BH. Claiming BH refused to be bound by the agreement. The current contract binds the "company's parent".

 

[JetCapt69]

Well so you can get your facts straight I have worked under both regimes. All I said is that I came after the merger. I never said that I did not work there when KR was at the helm. I did work there when that slimball was at the helm. He's a crook and always will be.

He may have been a crook, but he was a "pilots crook". JN was instrumental in coordinating the merger and for sake of argument, he was the ACTING CEO at the time of the merger and for the year up to the merger.

So you didn't get to experience the better days of Flight Options. Since the merger, it has been a slow slide to 6 feet under. No one can argue this fact.

"Anyone have the number to that truck driving school, truck masters I think it is?"

 

[kingtut]

Sadly For You, the way the TA is written, and if it is accepted, it take almost forever if ever before the NEW NJA contract will do anyone bought by BH as a completely separate investment any favors.

BH owns NJA. Nothing says, in my mind anyway, that BH could not own a SEPARATE fractional with a completely separate work force. We could go on and on and discuss scope ya,da ya,da ya,da. Let's not. The Business of Business is Business.

Later

 

[TONKER]

Is your job really that hard???

I am tired of hearing all of your guys whine about problems. Why can't you just fly the airplane without b*tching? Quit looking at your watches and worrying about "duty time". Half of you out there have no clue how to compute your duty time. It seems as if your math skills are lacking. I also believe that most of you look for problems with your aircraft. Mx is not going to ask you to fly anything that may be unsafe. If they do, lets see some names on here regarding who it was and maybe those people need to leave. Just think of this scenario (which is pretty common)...everytime one of the Hawker 800xp guys decides to brake their airplane for some lame reason or claim that their fatigued after sitting in Mx for the past 2 days it costs the company money that could be given back in our paychecks. Look at the cost of a charter for a trip length of 2.3 hrs would be around 25k. Just that one charter would be an extra 26 dollars in every pilots paycheck if we only had to charter 1 flight every 2 weeks. If some people spend half of the effort that they spend in thinking on what to write up next, they may not be so tired and could take the load of the rest of us that actually do our job. By the way, they are hiring new pilots. They took the posting off because they have 14,000 already on file. And to what hotel you people stay in, does it really matter??? Who do you think you are??? I am sure you can handle the Holiday Inn every once in a while. Maybe they are just picking on you...I have not seen but one hotel that I could say would be sub par...They are more than likely putting you in the lower class hotel to help off-set the charter costs that you have caused the company??? Ever think of that???

 

[hawkercpt]

easy now boy...

settle down. Put the mouse down, and step away from the keyboard slowly and nobody is going to get hurt.

nice and easy...


here, I have a beer for you.

 

[Dep676]

I am tired of hearing all of your guys whine about problems. Why can't you just fly the airplane without b*tching? Quit looking at your watches and worrying about "duty time". Half of you out there have no clue how to compute your duty time. It seems as if your math skills are lacking. I also believe that most of you look for problems with your aircraft. Mx is not going to ask you to fly anything that may be unsafe. If they do, lets see some names on here regarding who it was and maybe those people need to leave. Just think of this scenario (which is pretty common)...everytime one of the Hawker 800xp guys decides to brake their airplane for some lame reason or claim that their fatigued after sitting in Mx for the past 2 days it costs the company money that could be given back in our paychecks. Look at the cost of a charter for a trip length of 2.3 hrs would be around 25k. Just that one charter would be an extra 26 dollars in every pilots paycheck if we only had to charter 1 flight every 2 weeks. If some people spend half of the effort that they spend in thinking on what to write up next, they may not be so tired and could take the load of the rest of us that actually do our job. By the way, they are hiring new pilots. They took the posting off because they have 14,000 already on file. And to what hotel you people stay in, does it really matter??? Who do you think you are??? I am sure you can handle the Holiday Inn every once in a while. Maybe they are just picking on you...I have not seen but one hotel that I could say would be sub par...They are more than likely putting you in the lower class hotel to help off-set the charter costs that you have caused the company??? Ever think of that???

Well sir I think that your thinking is flawed. It does not matter how much the company saves they are not going to give it to the crews. Tell me why they waste money on cabs instead of rental cars. Let me give you example. One crew member goes home and the other is coming to work. They pass each other on the highway spending 50 dollars for each. When there is another crew member sits in the hotel waiting. When they could have gotten a rental car ro 20 to 40 dollars and dropped one person off and picked up the other.

As far as charter trips. Airplanes break simple as that. I do agree with you that some people are just looking for something to break or write up. I would rather stay busy for my eight days. Sitting around gets old after a day. Some of it comes from the front row.

What about JN riding back and forth to MA in the Diamond. What does that cost? I am sure it is more than a airline ticket.

So step back and put the class down and dump the kool-aid out.

 

[waveoff]

I am tired of hearing all of your guys whine about problems. Why can't you just fly the airplane without b*tching? Quit looking at your watches and worrying about "duty time". Half of you out there have no clue how to compute your duty time. It seems as if your math skills are lacking. I also believe that most of you look for problems with your aircraft. Mx is not going to ask you to fly anything that may be unsafe. If they do, lets see some names on here regarding who it was and maybe those people need to leave. Just think of this scenario (which is pretty common)...everytime one of the Hawker 800xp guys decides to brake their airplane for some lame reason or claim that their fatigued after sitting in Mx for the past 2 days it costs the company money that could be given back in our paychecks. Look at the cost of a charter for a trip length of 2.3 hrs would be around 25k. Just that one charter would be an extra 26 dollars in every pilots paycheck if we only had to charter 1 flight every 2 weeks. If some people spend half of the effort that they spend in thinking on what to write up next, they may not be so tired and could take the load of the rest of us that actually do our job. By the way, they are hiring new pilots. They took the posting off because they have 14,000 already on file. And to what hotel you people stay in, does it really matter??? Who do you think you are??? I am sure you can handle the Holiday Inn every once in a while. Maybe they are just picking on you...I have not seen but one hotel that I could say would be sub par...They are more than likely putting you in the lower class hotel to help off-set the charter costs that you have caused the company??? Ever think of that???

^^^^^^COMPANY MAN^^^^^^

If something's broke, write it up. Isn't that what they beat into our brains from the time we were aviation n00bs? If it can be MEL'd and we can continue on, great! If it can't be MEL'd and the plane is grounded, oh well! Tell management to stop stroking your winkie so you can see how it really is around here.

 

[Live4flyng]

Lame?

everytime one of the Hawker 800xp guys decides to brake their airplane for some lame reason

Would tyring to prevent going off the end of a runway be a good enough reason to brake?

 

[flyr4hire]

Just wait Tonker

till you get more than one or two tours under your belt, ... its obvious that you have no idea. Actually waveoff probably has you nailed as a "company man" ...thinking that money saved on charter would go into the pilot's pockets is probable cause for a urinalysis.

 

[TONKER]

By the way...Not a Kool-Aid drinker

Dep676 As to Nahill in the Diamond, maybe you do not understand why we have owners to begin with. Remember the phrase time is money? That is why many of our owners buy into the program that eventually trickles down to feed your face. In reference to the cab vs. rental car...bring it to their attention if you believe it is cheaper...I am sure they would like to know...they may not always have all of the information available to them...You are right though, sometimes a rental car is much cheaper...