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[Frac Daddy]

KLAS is the 7th busiest airport in the U.S. I would hope they would consider this as a gateway city?

I am bugging the cr.. out of Options....... Trying to get an interview.

I'm not giving up Options..... Interview me!

Do you know a pilot at Options? Reccomendations from current Options pilots are HEAVILY weighed.

 

[cosmotheassman]

I've been filling it out for almost a year and haven't heard anything...

 

[FracCapt]

does anyone know a fax number or some other way to get through for an interview?

Faxed resumes are trashed. Only apps online are accepted anymore. I even tried to walk one in for a friend, and they told me he would have to fill out the online app and list me as recommending him. They don't keep us up to date on what's going on with the hiring process and/or newhires. All I know is that we need many more pilots than we have(short staffed in just about every fleet), but they're not hiring as many as they could be.

Apparently we have somebody new in pilot recruiting. I don't recall the name, but I know it wasn't Eric as it had been for years. I don't know if the new guy is in addition to, or replacement for, Eric. I only know this because I was in CGF recently and walked by a desk and saw an unfamiliar name...that said "Pilot Recruiter" underneath it.

 

[flyboycpa]

Faxed resumes are trashed. Only apps online are accepted anymore. I even tried to walk one in for a friend, and they told me he would have to fill out the online app and list me as recommending him. They don't keep us up to date on what's going on with the hiring process and/or newhires. All I know is that we need many more pilots than we have(short staffed in just about every fleet), but they're not hiring as many as they could be.

Apparently we have somebody new in pilot recruiting. I don't recall the name, but I know it wasn't Eric as it had been for years. I don't know if the new guy is in addition to, or replacement for, Eric. I only know this because I was in CGF recently and walked by a desk and saw an unfamiliar name...that said "Pilot Recruiter" underneath it.

Eric has moved farther up on the food chain. He has done well for Options and that apparently has been recognized. The last person I got an interview for, relayed to me that both Eric and the new guy (I'm not sure of the name) interviewed him in order to begin training the new guy for pilot recruiting. My understanding is that Eric is in the HR department, but was promoted up the ladder. Kudos to him!

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[JetCapt69]

Tier Cities

Don't know if the Gateway is going away. I have heard that newhires are being given a list of 50 cities to choose from as far as domiciles. Wether or not if existing pilots will be forced to comply with this remains to be seen.

Have the Flops guys/gals noticed on the company (internal) pilot's website has a list of the TIER city domicles? You can look your home domicile and see what tier it is. I live in a city that has American, Continental, Southwest, Delta, Frontier, American Eagle, American Connection, Skywest, Mesa & ASA with dozens of flights per day, every day to every major city, but I am considered a TIER 2, which means I will make it home before 9 PM local on day 8 80% of the time and home before 11 PM 90% of the time.

Explain to me how this is a better quality of life? I am getting tired of the 0' dark thirty morning departures with a minimum of 10 hours rest and full 14 hour days as well.

If this latest rumor is true about the 50 domiciles and the institution of new company policies continues to change at will, many people who were riding the fence will be sending in their union cards.

 

[FracCapt]

I live in a city that has American, Continental, Southwest, Delta, Frontier, American Eagle, American Connection, Skywest, Mesa & ASA with dozens of flights per day, every day to every major city, but I am considered a TIER 2, which means I will make it home before 9 PM local on day 8 80% of the time and home before 11 PM 90% of the time.

My domicile is listed as a Tier 1, but it only means the goals are 2000 local 80% of the time and 2200 local 90% of the time. Still no good. I usually don't get home until 2300. Occasionally I get home before 2000, but it's not more than about 15-20% of the time....and only twice in the past year have I gotten home before 1800. Got lucky those times...ended up a 45 minute drive from home.

 

[PHX767]

The Brain Surgeons at work again

JetCapt69, thanks for pointing that out. They have FLL and PBI on tier 2 along with FAT and RAP. Confirms my belief that none of the logistics coneheads have ever been out of Ohio.

Now, does tiers 1 and 2 add up to 50? And would this be the new "gateways"???

Inquiring minds want to know....

 

[Frac Daddy]

JetCapt69, thanks for pointing that out. They have FLL and PBI on tier 2 along with FAT and RAP. Confirms my belief that none of the logistics coneheads have ever been out of Ohio.

Now, does tiers 1 and 2 add up to 50? And would this be the new "gateways"???

Inquiring minds want to know....

Doesn't FLL have just as much traffic as MIA?

 

[FracCapt]

Doesn't FLL have just as much traffic as MIA?

Even if they do, I think the difference is that MIA is a hub(AA), and there are tons of nonstops out of there all over the country. Not as many destinations are served out of FLL. Of course, this is just a guess...I have a feeling it was more of a pin the tail on the map of the US scenario that made them come up with the different Tiers. My domicile(listed as a Tier 1) is a sort of a mini-hub for one major, but is served by every major I can think of, and probably has over 800 flights(mostly domestic, probably about 10-15% international) a day....

 

[flyr4hire]

There's more to day 8

than just the time we get home. What always chaps me is how the schedulers manage day 8 for MAX company benefit with little or no regard for the crews (and with little or no ability to look and plan any further out than 4-6 hours). Maybe that sounded confusing, here's what I mean, this example has been pretty typical for 75% of my tours:
Day 1, airlines at 0700ish, back-up the clock for travel and check-in and I'mm gettin an early start.
Days 2-7, mostly morning/early morning show times (the dreaded early morning cycle), or to have the later morning times moved up after the first brief comes out. one hour turns and 14 hour days the norm.
Day 8, 1200 show for a 1400 departure (wake up at 6 or 7 anyway), fly 2 or 3 legs, owner(s) always late for the live leg(s), nice, long, liesurely turns between the legs, and arrive at my domicile airport at 2100 thus missing one goal (2000hrs) but meeting the 90% goal. Oh yeah, one hour drive home (the most dangerous part of any tour, that time spent on the roads), at night, and after being up for 14 hours already.
I must say that it appears as though some effort is being made at looking a little further out for the crew travel on day 8, have been seeing more and more airline requests popping up on my crackberry prior to day 8 which means that at least someone is thinking ahead. Hate to raise a problem without offering a suggestion, so here goes: hire more friggin pilots so there is more flexability in the schedules, with more pilots you don't have to squeeze them for every available minute. Oh yeah, forgot to add... not much pressure on the company to do that if everyone is gonna work overtime though.

 

[DesertFalcon]

Do you know a pilot at Options? Reccomendations from current Options pilots are HEAVILY weighed.

Actually, I do have a friend who works for "Options". Hopefully, they will call me soon for an interview?

 

[Dr. B]

Options Domiciles

I was just hired by Options, still in training.

You are asked to disclose where you want to domicile during the interview. To my knowledge there is not a 50 city list. The old criteria still applies, they want at least 3 airlines, and 6 daily departures. In addition, the domicile must be approved by the logistics department. You will know if your choice is approved before you are offered a job. They prefer the bigger cities for obvious reasons. Whoever that was that asked if Vegas applies, yes it does. I know because I have already been approved to relocate there from my current domicile - Dallas.

The contract is real, I believe that I was in one of the first classes to sign it. It is a very simple 1 year pro-rated $12,000 training contract. In my class, 2 went to Beechjet, 3 to CJ1. Seniority or experience in new class seemed to have nothing to do with it. I.E. oldest got CJ1. Pay first year regardless of aircraft is $34,00/year plus $8,100 in perdiem.

The key to getting an interview is having a friend who is willing to personally go to bat for you in the office with the people who are responsible for interviewing you.

Good Luck

 

[Frac Daddy]

Actually, I do have a friend who works for "Options". Hopefully, they will call me soon for an interview?

Falcon,

I guess I should have been more clear. Knowing somebody there is not enough. Like Dr. B said, your freind has to "go to bat for you" if you want that interview. Good luck.

 

[Number$Cruncher]

Just curious...

What always chaps me is how the schedulers manage day 8 for MAX company benefit with little or no regard for the crews...hire more friggin pilots so there is more flexability in the schedules, with more pilots you don't have to squeeze them for every available minute. Oh yeah, forgot to add... not much pressure on the company to do that if everyone is gonna work overtime though.

From the management perspective: isn't maximizing asset utilization part of making a business successful? Let's take as a given that proper rest for pilots on duty has to be the number one priority in crew scheduling...safety must be paramount. But getting home at 9:00 or even 10:00 on day 8, instead of a target of 8:00? Is that so bad? When I was a flying professionally I certainly liked getting home from trips in time for dinner, but...that simply wasn't part of the job description. You have the benefit of a schedule.

Private aviation is about providing the customer a service, one that demands flexibility. Keeping employees happy is certainly part of the formula for a successful business, but aviation has proven itself over and over to have little tolerance for undisciplined asset utilization practices.

 

[Frac Daddy]

From the management perspective: isn't maximizing asset utilization part of making a business successful? Let's take as a given that proper rest for pilots on duty has to be the number one priority in crew scheduling...safety must be paramount. But getting home at 9:00 or even 10:00 on day 8, instead of a target of 8:00? Is that so bad? When I was a flying professionally I certainly liked getting home from trips in time for dinner, but...that simply wasn't part of the job description. You have the benefit of a schedule.

Private aviation is about providing the customer a service, one that demands flexibility. Keeping employees happy is certainly part of the formula for a successful business, but aviation has proven itself over and over to have little tolerance for undisciplined asset utilization practices.

True. I must add that my Day 8 travel situation has improved for me since this initiative has begun. I have no problem working on Day 8. I get paid for it. But if there aren't any trips or my plane is broken, there has been an effort to get me home at a reasonable hour. I am hardly a "company-man" but I must give credit where credit is due.