Flight Options Management Stooge

[hogbody]

The following was posted on the IBT1108 message board by David Marker (Citation X PIC):

"With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table? Even with all pilots paying dues there won't be enough money, and by no means are all pilots paying (and i don't blame them). After all these years, Netjets decides to decertify from the Teamsters, maybe we should do the same before we get in too deep.
Hit me with your best........"

Then:

"Here I thought that everyone had an equal right to speak their mind. If I'm not allowed to say anything then why not just kick me out. That way you all can pat each other on the back and keep blowing smoke to each other. What ever makes you feel better.
I never said we didn't need a Union, just maybe not the Teamsters. But if being a part of the Union means dealing with the small mindedness of everyone posting here on this board then count me out! Maybe thats why its taking so long to negotiate anything.
Just like everything else in life"

Subsequently a mysterious e-mail began its rounds:


"Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Union Decertification


#yiv1023656754 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_d7e2877e-0d1f-4784-861d-56cc8719302a #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_72b3cbfd-154a-4671-8f20-aa1a5a38e7b8 DIV{}[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif][FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]The Union has been trying to negotiate a contract for Flight Options for over 2 years now and not making much progress. Of course this is partially the company's fault but also the Union's fault.
Now is the time to act. Instead of sitting back, paying dues and continually waiting on a contract that is not coming in the near future you can vote to decertify the union. Put the ball in the company's court to see what action they take. They promise raises and to make things better but are unable since we voted in a contract. Lets see what their response is. Maybe we will all get raises and be happy. Maybe we won't. We can always vote to have representation again but at least we will see what the company has had to offer. By keeping the current Union we will never see that.

Attached is a petition to decertify the Teamsters (IBT1108) Union representation of Flight Options LLC Pilots. Please sign and date and return to this email. Please pass along to any pilot.

DO NOT: communicate this through company email as it is not allowed. Pass along through personal email accounts only.

Thank You:
(Your fellow concerned flight options pilot)"

Ultimately the properties of this e-mail were analyzed, and of course the name associated with this document was (you guessed it!), DAVID MARKER.
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What a dog puke scab.

Hogbody

 

[jetwash]

uke:

We all knew that management would try to decertify the union before the contract. This is just another step closer to getting a contract with the rats coming out in desperation.

Keep up the good work guys and use D. Marker to strengthen your resolve and concentrate your minds on good preflight inspections and safe operations.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

uke:

We all knew that management would try to decertify the union before the contract. This is just another step closer to getting a contract with the rats coming out in desperation.

I don't see how any rational thinking person could believe that getting rid of the union at this point will make anything BETTER as far as pilot conditions are concerned?????

On a funny side note, this message board has gotten a lot better. On a 5 page thread, I only see normal posts...the rest are B-19, NJW, posts are being ignored, lol. DEFINITELY makes this place tolerable and more professional. I think those who give those types the attention they so desperately need, and QUOTE their posts are equally guilty trolls. (Sidestep complete)

 

[BombJet45]

He better not leave his food unattended if I were to ever fly with someone like him. Yeah, you can use your imagination.

 

[netjetwife]

Jetwash, you nailed it!! I agree that it usually seems darkest before the dawn. The FUD increases and the other side pulls out all the stops when you make solid progress. True, the counter-productive proposal isn't surprising, but it certainly is obnoxious.

Ironically, your "fellow concerned flight options pilot" is so out of touch that he doesn't know the answer to his question "With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table?" has already been provided. If DM was truly concerned he'd be following along closely enough to know that the NJ half of 1108 has set up a $ub$tantial fund to help the Options pilots get their contract completed. Talk about a Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling.... Or a rat who professes to care about his fellow pilots while he tries to undermine their efforts to achieve parity.. With a so-called friend like that who needs an enemy? 1108 leadership is very willing to answer questions and explain the situation to the pilots who really want to participate as informed members. This reeks of a hidden agenda.

CONTENTIOUS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS CALL FOR GUTS AND DETERMINATION. GIVE COWARDLY PROPOSALS THE BOOT.

 

[netjetwife]

I don't see how any rational thinking person could believe that getting rid of the union at this point will make anything BETTER as far as pilot conditions are concerned????? ...

I agree with this astute assessment 100%! When you analyze Marker's posts and email it's obvious his thinking is seriously flawed. The FLOPS could have offered the pilots a fair wage long before the Union was voted in (think of CS) so clearly they had no intention of doing so. His suggestion of dumping the Union to see what the FLOPS will offer is absurd. It is prudent to get it in writing even with honest management, but with a CEO that is a proven liar the Ops pilots would be extremely foolish to trust their payraise to MS. .... The path to the bargaining table is typically littered with broken promises. Furthermore, Marker didn't even have the guts to sign his name to the petition proposal yet he fancies himself a leader of the Options pilotgroup...uke:

 

[B19 Flyer]

The following was posted on the IBT1108 message board by David Marker (Citation X PIC):

"With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table? Even with all pilots paying dues there won't be enough money, and by no means are all pilots paying (and i don't blame them). After all these years, Netjets decides to decertify from the Teamsters, maybe we should do the same before we get in too deep.
Hit me with your best........"

Then:

"Here I thought that everyone had an equal right to speak their mind. If I'm not allowed to say anything then why not just kick me out. That way you all can pat each other on the back and keep blowing smoke to each other. What ever makes you feel better.
I never said we didn't need a Union, just maybe not the Teamsters. But if being a part of the Union means dealing with the small mindedness of everyone posting here on this board then count me out! Maybe thats why its taking so long to negotiate anything.
Just like everything else in life"

Subsequently a mysterious e-mail began its rounds:


"Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Union Decertification


#yiv1023656754 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_d7e2877e-0d1f-4784-861d-56cc8719302a #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_72b3cbfd-154a-4671-8f20-aa1a5a38e7b8 DIV{}[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif][FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]The Union has been trying to negotiate a contract for Flight Options for over 2 years now and not making much progress. Of course this is partially the company's fault but also the Union's fault. [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Now is the time to act. Instead of sitting back, paying dues and continually waiting on a contract that is not coming in the near future you can vote to decertify the union. Put the ball in the company's court to see what action they take. They promise raises and to make things better but are unable since we voted in a contract. Lets see what their response is. Maybe we will all get raises and be happy. Maybe we won't. We can always vote to have representation again but at least we will see what the company has had to offer. By keeping the current Union we will never see that. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Attached is a petition to decertify the Teamsters (IBT1108) Union representation of Flight Options LLC Pilots. Please sign and date and return to this email. Please pass along to any pilot. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]DO NOT: communicate this through company email as it is not allowed. Pass along through personal email accounts only. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Thank You:[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif](Your fellow concerned flight options pilot)"[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Ultimately the properties of this e-mail were analyzed, and of course the name associated with this document was (you guessed it!), DAVID MARKER.[/FONT]


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What a dog puke scab.

Hogbody

ROFL!

You can't dictate solidarity. I've said it before and apparently there are others that agree. 1108 isn't getting the job done.

 

[dime line]

moron

 

[WabiSabi]

moron

huh?

oh yeah, that moron.

 

[SilverSurfer]

David Marker SCAB

The following was posted on the IBT1108 message board by David Marker (Citation X PIC):

"With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table? Even with all pilots paying dues there won't be enough money, and by no means are all pilots paying (and i don't blame them). After all these years, Netjets decides to decertify from the Teamsters, maybe we should do the same before we get in too deep.
Hit me with your best........"

Then:

"Here I thought that everyone had an equal right to speak their mind. If I'm not allowed to say anything then why not just kick me out. That way you all can pat each other on the back and keep blowing smoke to each other. What ever makes you feel better.
I never said we didn't need a Union, just maybe not the Teamsters. But if being a part of the Union means dealing with the small mindedness of everyone posting here on this board then count me out! Maybe thats why its taking so long to negotiate anything.
Just like everything else in life"

Subsequently a mysterious e-mail began its rounds:


"Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Union Decertification


#yiv1023656754 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_d7e2877e-0d1f-4784-861d-56cc8719302a #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_72b3cbfd-154a-4671-8f20-aa1a5a38e7b8 DIV{}[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif][FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]The Union has been trying to negotiate a contract for Flight Options for over 2 years now and not making much progress. Of course this is partially the company's fault but also the Union's fault. [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Now is the time to act. Instead of sitting back, paying dues and continually waiting on a contract that is not coming in the near future you can vote to decertify the union. Put the ball in the company's court to see what action they take. They promise raises and to make things better but are unable since we voted in a contract. Lets see what their response is. Maybe we will all get raises and be happy. Maybe we won't. We can always vote to have representation again but at least we will see what the company has had to offer. By keeping the current Union we will never see that. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Attached is a petition to decertify the Teamsters (IBT1108) Union representation of Flight Options LLC Pilots. Please sign and date and return to this email. Please pass along to any pilot. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]DO NOT: communicate this through company email as it is not allowed. Pass along through personal email accounts only. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Thank You:[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif](Your fellow concerned flight options pilot)"[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Ultimately the properties of this e-mail were analyzed, and of course the name associated with this document was (you guessed it!), DAVID MARKER.[/FONT]


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What a dog puke scab.

Hogbody

uke: David Marker is a uke: SCAB
uke: ​

 

[jetwash]

It is one thing that a manager is working against the pilots to get the union out, which is understandably part of their job.

It is totally another when a line pilot is going above and beyond to work against a contract in which he will benefit

He is probably hoping for a management position since he meets one of the main qualifications. Living in Chardon which is just a 20 minute drive from CGF.

 

[400A]

He better not leave his food unattended if I were to ever fly with someone like him. Yeah, you can use your imagination.

NICE! Real Professional:erm:

While I do not support his opinion, behavior like that is unacceptable. Not to mention criminal.

 

[avratdwc]

NICE! Real Professional:erm:

While I do not support his opinion, behavior like that is unacceptable. Not to mention criminal.

OK, I agree that that is just childish, instead I'll just put Visine in his coffee.:laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

400A, considering how much is at stake for the Options pilots their anger is entirely justified and their "blowing off steam" verbal responses are quite understandable. The real culprit here is Marker and his unprofessional behavior in ignoring the leadership channels in place for pilots to voice concerns or ask questions in a way that doesn't interfere with on-going negotiations. Effective Unions speak with one voice and uninformed, unprofessional gestures elicit the condemnation they deserve. The angered Options pilots voted for MEC leaders to speak for them. They didn't vote for David Marker and his one-man Chicken Little act.

 

[400A]

400A, considering how much is at stake for the Options pilots their anger is entirely justified and their "blowing off steam" verbal responses are quite understandable. The real culprit here is Marker and his unprofessional behavior in ignoring the leadership channels in place for pilots to voice concerns or ask questions in a way that doesn't interfere with on-going negotiations. Effective Unions speak with one voice and uninformed, unprofessional gestures elicit the condemnation they deserve. The angered Options pilots voted for MEC leaders to speak for them. They didn't vote for David Marker and his one-man Chicken Little act.

That is not blowing off steam. That is disgusting behavior. It is not blowing off steam, and do not tell me it does not happen. I had multiple family members strike at Eastern, and I even walked the line with them. My support for them and the Flight Options pilots will never make that behavior acceptable. I know it happens. I have stood in groups of Eastern pilots and heard them brag about taking a crap in a SCABS flight bag. THAT IS NOT OK.....EVER!!!!!!!!!

 

[dime line]

That is not blowing off steam. That is disgusting behavior. It is not blowing off steam, and do not tell me it does not happen. I had multiple family members strike at Eastern, and I even walked the line with them. My support for them and the Flight Options pilots will never make that behavior acceptable. I know it happens. I have stood in groups of Eastern pilots and

heard them brag about taking a crap in a SCABS flight bag. THAT IS NOT OK.....EVER!!!!!!!!!

Agree. But it is funny as "crap"

 

[netjetwife]

400A, I highlighted the word "verbal" deliberately. Many people say things in anger that they would not follow through on when their temper has cooled and their better judgment prevails.

I have no problem taking your word for it that disgusting, unprofessional acts have taken place in the past, but I think it's hasty to judge and condemn your fellow pilots at this point. You are incorrectly using the term "behavior". That applies to actions--not speech. Right now the only one guilty of disgusting behavior is Marker. His fellow pilots are just expressing their thoughts on his despicable action. If they were to cross the line and actually perform a foul deed then I'd be in agreement with you. However, at this moment the distinction between talking and acting is too critical to be overlooked. NJW

 

[400A]

400A, I highlighted the word "verbal" deliberately. Many people say things in anger that they would not follow through on when their temper has cooled and their better judgment prevails.

I have no problem taking your word for it that disgusting, unprofessional acts have taken place in the past, but I think it's hasty to judge and condemn your fellow pilots at this point. You are incorrectly using the term "behavior". That applies to actions--not speech. Right now the only one guilty of disgusting behavior is Marker. His fellow pilots are just expressing their thoughts on his despicable action. If they were to cross the line and actually perform a foul deed then I'd be in agreement with you. However, at this moment the distinction between talking and acting is too critical to be overlooked. NJW

Oh..... I get it, the kids at Columbine just talked about killing everyone at school. No need to worry.

How many actual strikes have you been a part of so that you can decide that it is just talk. You are in a dreamland. The Eastern Strike was almost 19 years ago and there are still people acting out just like he said. And they brag about it just like his statement. I will never buy your He is just venting garbage.

 

[netjetwife]

400, there is a huge difference in threatening murder compared to contemplating acts that would be categorized as mischief. Let's leave the Columbine tragedy, respectfully, where it belongs.

Attending a strike isn't a requirement to comment on basic human nature. Reality is, many, many people say things, especially when they're angry, that they would never do. Just because a few jerks out there actually did something immature does not mean that every disgusted pilot will. That said, a cautionary stance can be a good thing if it doesn't turn prejudicial.

I think the Options pilots are smart enough to take a calm, respectful hint that such actions would be inappropriate and counter-productive to their cause. I also trust the 1108 leaders to handle the episode effectively and diplomatically. They are monitoring the situation.

 

[1folinepilot]

That is not blowing off steam. That is disgusting behavior. It is not blowing off steam, and do not tell me it does not happen. I had multiple family members strike at Eastern, and I even walked the line with them. My support for them and the Flight Options pilots will never make that behavior acceptable. I know it happens. I have stood in groups of Eastern pilots and heard them brag about taking a crap in a SCABS flight bag. THAT IS NOT OK.....EVER!!!!!!!!!

Thats a good one!

Paybacks are a real B!TCH

 

[sky4]

Damn 400A, take a step back and relax. This guy rubbed a lot of us wrong but I don't think any of us are gonna actually poop in his flight bag.

I for one would not meet him for breakfast in the morning or drinks in the evening and for what he is doing not only to me but my family i may have some wild thoughts just to grin at.

Kinda sounds like you are buds with Marker, maybe you could talk to him and help him join the right side. He ain't making no friends right now!

1108 is here to stay at FLOPS. We will prosper!

 

[netjetwife]

Good post, Sky4!! I particularly liked the mention of your family. The frac lifestyle can be tough enough without the pilots being underpaid/overworked to boot. Speaking of....

If the old way of doing business is cheating your family give it the boot!

Cheers for the 1108 FltOps pilots and their unified stand.

 

[BombJet45]

NICE! Real Professional:erm:

While I do not support his opinion, behavior like that is unacceptable. Not to mention criminal.

Dude, relax. Double check that blood pressure and axle grease. It was a joke meant to keep aholes and the likes of him paranoid and always looking over their shoulders.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for explaining that you were only joking, BJ. A bit of dark humor at a time like this is to be expected. Marker's logic is so weak and he is so out of touch with the goals of his fellow pilots that his email won't even make a dent in the wall of their unity. As several of the pilots have noted, facing a common enemy just makes a group more determined.

Options pilots are giving insulting FUD filled letters the boot no matter who sends them --
a CEO known to lie or a co-worker willing to cave.

 

[Frac Cap]

Marker now has a reason to be paranoid. From some of what I hear the guys saying, he better not fly a aircraft with a light bulb burnt out, because I hear guys are now just gunning to find something to turn him in to the FAA about. He also better be sucking on that O2 above 350, oops, sorry guys. I won't say another word.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Marker now has a reason to be paranoid. From some of what I hear the guys saying, he better not fly a aircraft with a light bulb burnt out, because I hear guys are now just gunning to find something to turn him in to the FAA about. He also better be sucking on that O2 above 350, oops, sorry guys. I won't say another word.

It's OK for you to voice your opinion, but he can't voice his, right?

Union turmoil at it's best. I love it.

:beer:

 

[400A]

Dude, relax. Double check that blood pressure and axle grease. It was a joke meant to keep aholes and the likes of him paranoid and always looking over their shoulders.

History says it was not a joke, and that many will follow through.

 

[400A]

Kinda sounds like you are buds with Marker, maybe you could talk to him and help him join the right side. He ain't making no friends right now!

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I could not identify the man in a line-up.

 

[jetwash]

Marker now has a reason to be paranoid. From some of what I hear the guys saying, he better not fly a aircraft with a light bulb burnt out, because I hear guys are now just gunning to find something to turn him in to the FAA about. He also better be sucking on that O2 above 350, oops, sorry guys. I won't say another word.

I hope his FO's do good preflights and inform him of any problems via BB e mail with time and date just to have a record just in case the FAA wants to get involved later on.

Plus it will be there in case he tries to work a deal with MX to wait until they get to a MX base.

Remember safety, service then profitability

 

[Galaxy]

I know David. And yes I would drop a duece in his bag. The cheap b@stard would bitch more about getting a new bag than the lincoln log.

Childish--Yes
Funny as He11--Damn right!