Flight Options Management Stooge

[hogbody]

The following was posted on the IBT1108 message board by David Marker (Citation X PIC):

"With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table? Even with all pilots paying dues there won't be enough money, and by no means are all pilots paying (and i don't blame them). After all these years, Netjets decides to decertify from the Teamsters, maybe we should do the same before we get in too deep.
Hit me with your best........"

Then:

"Here I thought that everyone had an equal right to speak their mind. If I'm not allowed to say anything then why not just kick me out. That way you all can pat each other on the back and keep blowing smoke to each other. What ever makes you feel better.
I never said we didn't need a Union, just maybe not the Teamsters. But if being a part of the Union means dealing with the small mindedness of everyone posting here on this board then count me out! Maybe thats why its taking so long to negotiate anything.
Just like everything else in life"

Subsequently a mysterious e-mail began its rounds:


"Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Union Decertification


#yiv1023656754 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_d7e2877e-0d1f-4784-861d-56cc8719302a #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_72b3cbfd-154a-4671-8f20-aa1a5a38e7b8 DIV{}[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif][FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]The Union has been trying to negotiate a contract for Flight Options for over 2 years now and not making much progress. Of course this is partially the company's fault but also the Union's fault.
Now is the time to act. Instead of sitting back, paying dues and continually waiting on a contract that is not coming in the near future you can vote to decertify the union. Put the ball in the company's court to see what action they take. They promise raises and to make things better but are unable since we voted in a contract. Lets see what their response is. Maybe we will all get raises and be happy. Maybe we won't. We can always vote to have representation again but at least we will see what the company has had to offer. By keeping the current Union we will never see that.

Attached is a petition to decertify the Teamsters (IBT1108) Union representation of Flight Options LLC Pilots. Please sign and date and return to this email. Please pass along to any pilot.

DO NOT: communicate this through company email as it is not allowed. Pass along through personal email accounts only.

Thank You:
(Your fellow concerned flight options pilot)"

Ultimately the properties of this e-mail were analyzed, and of course the name associated with this document was (you guessed it!), DAVID MARKER.
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What a dog puke scab.

Hogbody

 

[jetwash]

uke:

We all knew that management would try to decertify the union before the contract. This is just another step closer to getting a contract with the rats coming out in desperation.

Keep up the good work guys and use D. Marker to strengthen your resolve and concentrate your minds on good preflight inspections and safe operations.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

uke:

We all knew that management would try to decertify the union before the contract. This is just another step closer to getting a contract with the rats coming out in desperation.

I don't see how any rational thinking person could believe that getting rid of the union at this point will make anything BETTER as far as pilot conditions are concerned?????

On a funny side note, this message board has gotten a lot better. On a 5 page thread, I only see normal posts...the rest are B-19, NJW, posts are being ignored, lol. DEFINITELY makes this place tolerable and more professional. I think those who give those types the attention they so desperately need, and QUOTE their posts are equally guilty trolls. (Sidestep complete)

 

[BombJet45]

He better not leave his food unattended if I were to ever fly with someone like him. Yeah, you can use your imagination.

 

[netjetwife]

Jetwash, you nailed it!! I agree that it usually seems darkest before the dawn. The FUD increases and the other side pulls out all the stops when you make solid progress. True, the counter-productive proposal isn't surprising, but it certainly is obnoxious.

Ironically, your "fellow concerned flight options pilot" is so out of touch that he doesn't know the answer to his question "With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table?" has already been provided. If DM was truly concerned he'd be following along closely enough to know that the NJ half of 1108 has set up a $ub$tantial fund to help the Options pilots get their contract completed. Talk about a Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling.... Or a rat who professes to care about his fellow pilots while he tries to undermine their efforts to achieve parity.. With a so-called friend like that who needs an enemy? 1108 leadership is very willing to answer questions and explain the situation to the pilots who really want to participate as informed members. This reeks of a hidden agenda.

CONTENTIOUS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS CALL FOR GUTS AND DETERMINATION. GIVE COWARDLY PROPOSALS THE BOOT.

 

[netjetwife]

I don't see how any rational thinking person could believe that getting rid of the union at this point will make anything BETTER as far as pilot conditions are concerned????? ...

I agree with this astute assessment 100%! When you analyze Marker's posts and email it's obvious his thinking is seriously flawed. The FLOPS could have offered the pilots a fair wage long before the Union was voted in (think of CS) so clearly they had no intention of doing so. His suggestion of dumping the Union to see what the FLOPS will offer is absurd. It is prudent to get it in writing even with honest management, but with a CEO that is a proven liar the Ops pilots would be extremely foolish to trust their payraise to MS. .... The path to the bargaining table is typically littered with broken promises. Furthermore, Marker didn't even have the guts to sign his name to the petition proposal yet he fancies himself a leader of the Options pilotgroup...uke:

 

[B19 Flyer]

The following was posted on the IBT1108 message board by David Marker (Citation X PIC):

"With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table? Even with all pilots paying dues there won't be enough money, and by no means are all pilots paying (and i don't blame them). After all these years, Netjets decides to decertify from the Teamsters, maybe we should do the same before we get in too deep.
Hit me with your best........"

Then:

"Here I thought that everyone had an equal right to speak their mind. If I'm not allowed to say anything then why not just kick me out. That way you all can pat each other on the back and keep blowing smoke to each other. What ever makes you feel better.
I never said we didn't need a Union, just maybe not the Teamsters. But if being a part of the Union means dealing with the small mindedness of everyone posting here on this board then count me out! Maybe thats why its taking so long to negotiate anything.
Just like everything else in life"

Subsequently a mysterious e-mail began its rounds:


"Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Union Decertification


#yiv1023656754 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_d7e2877e-0d1f-4784-861d-56cc8719302a #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_72b3cbfd-154a-4671-8f20-aa1a5a38e7b8 DIV{}[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif][FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]The Union has been trying to negotiate a contract for Flight Options for over 2 years now and not making much progress. Of course this is partially the company's fault but also the Union's fault. [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Now is the time to act. Instead of sitting back, paying dues and continually waiting on a contract that is not coming in the near future you can vote to decertify the union. Put the ball in the company's court to see what action they take. They promise raises and to make things better but are unable since we voted in a contract. Lets see what their response is. Maybe we will all get raises and be happy. Maybe we won't. We can always vote to have representation again but at least we will see what the company has had to offer. By keeping the current Union we will never see that. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Attached is a petition to decertify the Teamsters (IBT1108) Union representation of Flight Options LLC Pilots. Please sign and date and return to this email. Please pass along to any pilot. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]DO NOT: communicate this through company email as it is not allowed. Pass along through personal email accounts only. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Thank You:[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif](Your fellow concerned flight options pilot)"[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Ultimately the properties of this e-mail were analyzed, and of course the name associated with this document was (you guessed it!), DAVID MARKER.[/FONT]


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What a dog puke scab.

Hogbody

ROFL!

You can't dictate solidarity. I've said it before and apparently there are others that agree. 1108 isn't getting the job done.

 

[dime line]

moron

 

[WabiSabi]

moron

huh?

oh yeah, that moron.

 

[SilverSurfer]

David Marker SCAB

The following was posted on the IBT1108 message board by David Marker (Citation X PIC):

"With Netjets gone who is going to be paying to bring us a contract to the table? Even with all pilots paying dues there won't be enough money, and by no means are all pilots paying (and i don't blame them). After all these years, Netjets decides to decertify from the Teamsters, maybe we should do the same before we get in too deep.
Hit me with your best........"

Then:

"Here I thought that everyone had an equal right to speak their mind. If I'm not allowed to say anything then why not just kick me out. That way you all can pat each other on the back and keep blowing smoke to each other. What ever makes you feel better.
I never said we didn't need a Union, just maybe not the Teamsters. But if being a part of the Union means dealing with the small mindedness of everyone posting here on this board then count me out! Maybe thats why its taking so long to negotiate anything.
Just like everything else in life"

Subsequently a mysterious e-mail began its rounds:


"Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Union Decertification


#yiv1023656754 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_d7e2877e-0d1f-4784-861d-56cc8719302a #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_72b3cbfd-154a-4671-8f20-aa1a5a38e7b8 DIV{}[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif][FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]The Union has been trying to negotiate a contract for Flight Options for over 2 years now and not making much progress. Of course this is partially the company's fault but also the Union's fault. [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Now is the time to act. Instead of sitting back, paying dues and continually waiting on a contract that is not coming in the near future you can vote to decertify the union. Put the ball in the company's court to see what action they take. They promise raises and to make things better but are unable since we voted in a contract. Lets see what their response is. Maybe we will all get raises and be happy. Maybe we won't. We can always vote to have representation again but at least we will see what the company has had to offer. By keeping the current Union we will never see that. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Attached is a petition to decertify the Teamsters (IBT1108) Union representation of Flight Options LLC Pilots. Please sign and date and return to this email. Please pass along to any pilot. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]DO NOT: communicate this through company email as it is not allowed. Pass along through personal email accounts only. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Thank You:[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif](Your fellow concerned flight options pilot)"[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Ultimately the properties of this e-mail were analyzed, and of course the name associated with this document was (you guessed it!), DAVID MARKER.[/FONT]


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What a dog puke scab.

Hogbody

uke: David Marker is a uke: SCAB
uke: ​