Flight Options loses more pilots to Gemini

[Frac Daddy]

OMG how pathetic that someone wants something better than the IBT and the IBT mafia swoops in with the standard accusations of "They're Management! Don't Listen". Some people can actually think for themselves, believe it or not. Sick. THAT's whats transparent and pathetic...Thou protestest too much and is projecting. If ever Flops makes someone SO miserable that they see the IBT as the only option, then yes, it IS time for them to leave. IBT is the LAZY (because it's "there") option, yet in the end, all of the work will be done by yourself.

If you're all for the FLOPS pilots picking their own union, why have you spammed this board today with anti-union and anit-IBT rhetoric? Why not just shut your mouth and let them "think for themselves"? Oh, thats right.....You get PAID to bust unions!

Name the other union that is eager to represent us. You can't.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

If you're all for the FLOPS pilots picking their own union, why have you spammed this board today with anti-union (WRONG YET again) and anit-IBT rhetoric? Why not just shut your mouth and let them "think for themselves"? Oh, thats right.....You get PAID to bust unions! (Keep telling yourself that...you'll see that I'm not the only one who thinks like this soon enough.)

Man, you seriously need some therapy...Lay off the diversion/scare tactics.Anyone who cares to can look up my posts and see how crazy you are.
If anyone gets paid for their venom it would be you. This is my last response to you so feel free to keep acting nutty....You've done it well on this board AND the other...and you seem to be posting to yourself on the other. Your rants speak volumes of your character, so I needn't be involved in back and forth childish jabs... I've said my piece. Carry on

 

[Frac Daddy]

Man, you seriously need some therapy...Lay off the diversion/scare tactics.Anyone who cares to can look up my posts and see how crazy you are.
If anyone gets paid for their venom it would be you. This is my last response to you so feel free to keep acting nutty....You've done it well on this board AND the other...and you seem to be posting to yourself on the other.

Nutty? No. Nutty is somebody spending all day in a cubicle looking up obscure, negative articles about Gemini Air Cargo just because somebody on a public message board implies that it is better than FLOPS. Venom? You say I am "nutty" and "need some therapy" and I am the one spewing venom? Uh, ok. I am posting to myself? I feel confident that anybody with IQ above 50 that reads this thread can see I am replying directly and rationaly to your posts.

And the REAL reason you won't continue to reply to my posts is that you can't answer my question. We have tried ALPA, TWU and an in-house union and these ventures either failed miserably or the union was not interested in us. So, I ask again.....What other union?

 

[fogrunner]

Anyone who wants to PM about Gemini or the ACMI sector in general go ahead.

This thread has been hijacked.

Yes we do have a pay freeze. New hires go to yr 2 pay on their anniversary date.

This issue, I have been told, will be re-negotiated on in about a year.

Professional Flight Deck crewmembers represented by the teamsters:





[font=Verdana,Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva]Pilots[/font]

• ABX Air
• Air Transport International (ATI)
• Arrow Air
• Centurion Air
• Custom Air Transport
• Express One
• Great Lakes Aviation
• Gulfstream International
• Horizon Air
• Kalitta Air
• NetJets
• North American Airlines
• Shuttle America
• Southeast Airlines
• TransAir
• United Express (Great Lakes)
• U.S.A. 3000 Airlines
• U.S. Airways (Chautauqua)
• World Airways
• Zantop International

Hey Frac if you need any more info let me know.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

This thread has been hijacked.

Yes we do have a pay freeze. New hires go to yr 2 pay on their anniversary date.

This issue, I have been told, will be re-negotiated on in about a year.

Professional Flight Deck crewmembers represented by the teamsters:
[font=Verdana,Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva]Pilots[/font]

• ABX Air
• Air Transport International (ATI)
• Arrow Air
• Centurion Air
• Custom Air Transport
• Express One
• Great Lakes Aviation
• Gulfstream International
• Horizon Air
• Kalitta Air
• NetJets
• North American Airlines
• Shuttle America
• Southeast Airlines
• TransAir
• United Express (Great Lakes)
• U.S.A. 3000 Airlines
• U.S. Airways EXPRESS (Chautauqua)
• World Airways
• Zantop International

The point of the list? To show that all of the above are notoriously low paid, except Southeast Airlines, who is not paid at all (out of business). Let me guess, IBT is "working really hard on all of them at once"? FYI, just because someone disagrees with the viability of the Teamsters does not make them management, and does not make for a "hijacking" of a thread...I spend MUCH less time on here than "Frac Daddy", (who seems to never have to fly at all, judging from the amount of posts/time spent on here and the RTA board) so there goes one theory. And I thought we never get time off? Also anyone who checks old posts is quite clear on the fact that I oppose both management AND IBT tactics. I love how "HIJACK" is screamed when someone wants a thread with a sensible, opposing view pulled by the mods, and confusion/word twisting is done to make people who hadn't read the actual post think I've said something else. Hmmmmm....Very "Sun Tzu" I must say Fortunately, the mods also have brains and can read, too....

 

[Voice Of Reason]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I post positive welcome aboard message to people who have successfully interviewed here. [/font]

I wouldn't call your opening post (or following posts)positive, since you couldn't do it without FLOPS jabs, could you? If Gemini really is the cats pajamas, why was that necessary, Mr. "Isn't this board only supposed to be about interviewing?" If that was the case this website would be pretty empty. There's a variety of information sharing, and if info is posted so that someone can make an OBJECTIVE decision about a place (being well aware of past problems) then that is a good thing.

You claimed that Gemini is ALPA...yet you said FLOPS could never get ALPA to represent them

You said there were what? SEVEN planes at Gemini? So WHY is it that you posted that FLOPS couldn't get ALPA representation?

 

[fogrunner]

You said there were what? SEVEN planes at Gemini?

No, I wrote Seven DC-10s and four MD-11s..

7 + 4= 11 not seven.

ALPA wont touch the fractionals. It has nothing to do with the amount of a/c you have.


The point of the list? To show that all of the above are notoriously low paid


ABX pay rates. Yea they look pretty low to me. (lol)



http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/abx/abx.htm


You need to verify your facts before you shoot from the hip.

27 guys left Flight Options in January. Close to the same amount for Feb. People are leaving as fast as they can. What does that tell you. Are you actually going to argue that you are well treated by your management folks.


Nuff said. Enjoy your life at FLOPS. Enjoy your time looking for articles about Walmart truck drivers, and seven year old Gemini FAA violations.

I ask again what does an article concerning Walmart truck drivers have to do with flying DC-10s and MD-11s?

 

[fogrunner]

Mr. "Isn't this board only supposed to be about interviewing?


NO, what I actually said was,

Remember this board was originally set up to pass on information on hiring and interview information.


Look at the sub heading for this section

Flightinfo.com Hangar > Aviation Interview Board


Discussion pertaining to Aviation Interviews ONLY. All other infomation should be on the AMB.

 

[JohnnyCash]

i thought express one was long gone.

 

[On Your Six]

Thanks Frac,

My intention was to welcome more quality guys to the Gemini fold. Yes, I like it here at Gemini. It is rather humorous for a thread to go from DC-10s to Walmart truckers.

It's nice to see a positive post like this. I would love to fly the MD-11 myself... Good luck to the remaining FLOPS pilots.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Awww, I'm gonna tell Daddy

Discussion pertaining to Aviation Interviews ONLY. All other infomation should be on the AMB.

So why are you obsessing over FLOPS guys leaving, and entertaining other questions/posts? ...Not to mention the fact that rather than creating a thread title similar to the effect of "Gemini Hiring/Interview Info", you chose an antagonizing title, that I guess we should just ignore? Then you get angry because I post actual news articles and documents about the company so other readers have the full circle of info about the company you expect them to drop their surrent jobs for? Wow, talk about double standards...They better start pulling 98% of the threads on this subject, I guess. Get real...If I was agreeing with you, you'd encourage this thread for months. Talk about transparent

 

[Voice Of Reason]

i thought express one was long gone.

I guess that's another thriving, high paid company on that reference list

 

[matchthehatch]

Hey Voice-

What color is FLOPS kool-aid? I would love to be able to drink some. Man, you must have had some really crappy jobs before Flight Options if you think this gig is a good one.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Hey Voice-

What color is FLOPS kool-aid? I would love to be able to drink some. Man, you must have had some really crappy jobs before Flight Options if you think this gig is a good one.

Nope...No Kool-aid here, yet another word twist game I see...
Just someone who sees that it's even WORSE at NJA, and wants better than IBT. Did NJA ALWAYS make such low wages? Surely no one would have gone there to begin with if that were the case. Thanks, but I'd like to go in the OTHER direction paywise. Contrary to popular belief (and what the IBT Kool-Aid drinker/witch hunters would want you to to believe), IBT is NOT the only option in unions. As I said, if it were, THAT's when it's time to quit.

ANYWAY---I certainly am not miserable enough to spend all day, everyday rehashing this subject...so bash away, make paranoid accusations...we'll see whose view was based in reality at voting time. I'm out...Have fun with your creative distractions and witch hunts.

 

[fogrunner]

NOW FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE!!!!

To the March MD-11 new-hires welcome aboard. I hope you enjoy it.
I am a little jealous, you guys will get paid to sleep in the bunks. Dozing for Dollars...
Good, down to earth folks here at Gemini, congrats on the interview, and the call.

MD-11 Freighter Background

The MD-11 Freighter design is based on the extensive knowledge gained from experience designing and producing the DC-8, DC-10 and KC-10 freighter. The airplane is part of the advanced MD-11 wide-cabin, three-engine jetliner family produced by the Long Beach Division of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

MD-11 Freighter advantages include low cost of acquisition, extended intercontinental nonstop range, lower fuel burn per trip, unrestricted over-water operation, and up to 44 percent more below-deck revenue pallet or container cargo capacity.

In addition to modern aerodynamics, cockpit and power plants, the MD-11 freighter offers higher take-off weights, permitting increased cargo payload.

The all-cargo MD-11F provides the capacity for 202,100-pound (91,670 kilograms) gross payloads and has a 98.25-inch (249.5 centimeters) maximum stack height. Located in the forward fuselage, the MD-11 cargo door is 140 inches (356 centimeters) wide by 102 inches (259 centimeters) high.

The freighter's main cabin will hold up to 15,530 cubic feet (440 cubic meters) of palletized cargo. Its lower compartments will hold an additional 5,566 cubic feet (158 cubic meters) of containerized or bulk cargo. All standard industry containers can be accommodated side-by-side in the lower deck.