Flight Option Tidbits

[nomore]

Hey B19 why don't you back to worrying about playing in the big leagues there at mesaba and let us handle our own problems. In case you didn't notice our management has managed to do everything you listed in your post to us without the company going tits up. So go back and mind you own P's and Q's Junior!!!

Hey Fr8Dog and Dash I'm willing to bet my girlfriend's feet have more time in the air than our buddy B!

 

[dash_trash]

Hey Fr8Dog and Dash I'm willing to bet my girlfriend's feet have more time in the air than our buddy B!

Now that's funny! :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Hey Fr8Dog and Dash I'm willing to bet my girlfriend's feet have more time in the air than our buddy B!

I will agree that they most likely are!

You can blame your schedule and her lonelyness more than you can my lack of time on the flight deck though! :laugh:

 

[Freedom]

It is soooo obvious B19 is our VP of Flt Ops Bob

Every single thing that I despise about unions and the union mentality is stated in this post. Take down the company and all the employees that work there. Take away everybody's job security, paycheck and home life. Remove their benefits, their way of life, their careers and their futures because you don't think that management is doing it the right way and you ain't got the nuts to step into managment and try to make things better yourself. Your union leadership that has failed to negotiate a CBA is going to put every employee there at risk. An agreement is based on two sides agreeing, not just one. 34% of the pilots chose NOT to force a union into the company, yet they are living with the reality that they may be unemployed by the selfish and "know it all" 66% that did.

Be careful what you ask for, you wanted a union... you got yourself a union and all the joy that comes with it.

I LOVE my non-union airline.

Just look at the strategy he is undertaking:

He tries to deflect blame for not yet reaching an agreement on a CBA to whom? The Union Leadership of course. Management dragging their feet never seemed to enter his statement. Nor did the fact that any employment attorney worth his salt will tell you two things: 1. After a newly elected union gets on a once non union property, the average time to a 1st contract is 4-5 years! That's reality folks. Call up your local employment law specialist and ask him yourself. 2. On average, by the time a 1st contract is reached, there are only 25% of the employees still on the property, that were there when the union was originally voted in. Why? Things often get extremely nasty, as management hates to give up any control to their employees. Its only when it becomes too costly to continue fighting their employees (and guess who can most affect those costs), that management will finally be willing to settle a contract.

It is also of interest to note that 1st contracts are typically not very good. Often management has beaten their employee group so hard that they are willing to sign an inferior contract, just to get the fight over with. That tactic is certainly in play at Flight Options.

Bob is also attempting to splinter the pilot group by referencing the 34% being hurt by the 66%. Well, being Bob, he is already taking liberties with the facts; it was 33% and 67%, but whose counting. What he also is ommitting is that on average, union votes, if they are successful, are usually very close, as in the low 50s vs high 40s. The fact is that 2 out of every 3 Flight Options Pilots (67%) voted for the Union, even with the company's address manipulation and numerous Pilots being forced to request directly from the NMB a ballot which they should have received per the addresses provided by the company (interestingly, said pilots continued to receive their paystubs, but somehow, the initial ballot just got "lost in the mail" LOL).

It is clear that B19 is playing fast and loose with the facts once again. He is playing the "Scare Tactic" card that Flight Options might go out of business due to the big bad union. Well, if Flight Ops does go out of business, it won't be through the fault of the union. It will be because our management refused to pay an industry standard pay package to their highly intelligent and highly skilled pilot force. If that's the choice our management makes, so be it. I will no longer tolerate being under valued by a small group of self-centered executives, who say they care, but have done nothing more than take from all their employees (not just the pilots) since the day they set foot on the property.

Freedom is not free.

 

[dime line]

But I guess we have money to order 100 new Phenom 300's, per sanjay (if you can belive anything from him)

 

[400pilot]

Remove their benefits, their way of life, their careers and their futures because you don't think that management is doing it the right way and you ain't got the nuts to step into managment and try to make things better yourself.

Yeah, I've been approached numerous times by senior management with job offers to come help them with the operation. However, I just didn't have the sac.....

What an idiot......

 

[FR8DOG777]

storm brewing on the horizon

Hey b-19 Bob, Ford and Harrison goon, flops management or whomever else you are pretending to be. I am often reminded of what a good friend of mine once told me. After surviving Vietnam there is nothing that I am afraid of anymore, nothing scares me. That is exactly how the majority of your senior pilots feel here. I hope your coughers are chock full of cash to support your charter needs in the near future. I could be unemployed from here tomorrow and not give a rats a$$. You wanted a fight and you are going to find yourself immersed in a fire fight you cannot control. I would also like to add for attorneys billing five hunsky an hour I would of hoped they could have done better than that.

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

Hey Bob

Every single thing that I despise about unions and the union mentality is stated in this post. Take down the company and all the employees that work there. Take away everybody's job security, paycheck and home life. Remove their benefits, their way of life, their careers and their futures because you don't think that management is doing it the right way and you ain't got the nuts to step into managment and try to make things better yourself. Your union leadership that has failed to negotiate a CBA is going to put every employee there at risk. An agreement is based on two sides agreeing, not just one. 34% of the pilots chose NOT to force a union into the company, yet they are living with the reality that they may be unemployed by the selfish and "know it all" 66% that did.

Be careful what you ask for, you wanted a union... you got yourself a union and all the joy that comes with it.

I LOVE my non-union airline.

You should change your Handle to "BM-19". All of your posts resemble a 19 pound bowel movement.

 

[TurboHonda]

I will agree that they most likely are!

You can blame your schedule and her lonelyness more than you can my lack of time on the flight deck though! :laugh:

Ha Ha. That's a pretty good comeback, Bob. I'm starting to believe there might be some blood in your veins after all.

 

[nomore]

Not a Myth, Not an Urban Legend,

Let's have a show of hands. (metaphorically speaking) Who has heard the story of Shawn and the Toilet Paper? Better yet who has lived the story of Shawn and the Toilet Paper? When I first heard this story I thought it was a myth, but since I've heard it from at least 3 pilots with nearly identical details I think it has to be fairly credible. C'mon, you guys who lived the Shawn and the Toiler Paper adventure I invite you to add it to our Tidbits folder. It's an amusing and illustrative story. Who's gonna be first?