Hey Fr8Dog and Dash I'm willing to bet my girlfriend's feet have more time in the air than our buddy B!
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Hey Fr8Dog and Dash I'm willing to bet my girlfriend's feet have more time in the air than our buddy B!
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Now that's funny! :laugh:
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I will agree that they most likely are!
You can blame your schedule and her lonelyness more than you can my lack of time on the flight deck though! :laugh:
It is soooo obvious B19 is our VP of Flt Ops Bob
Just look at the strategy he is undertaking:
He tries to deflect blame for not yet reaching an agreement on a CBA to whom? The Union Leadership of course. Management dragging their feet never seemed to enter his statement. Nor did the fact that any employment attorney worth his salt will tell you two things: 1. After a newly elected union gets on a once non union property, the average time to a 1st contract is 4-5 years! That's reality folks. Call up your local employment law specialist and ask him yourself. 2. On average, by the time a 1st contract is reached, there are only 25% of the employees still on the property, that were there when the union was originally voted in. Why? Things often get extremely nasty, as management hates to give up any control to their employees. Its only when it becomes too costly to continue fighting their employees (and guess who can most affect those costs), that management will finally be willing to settle a contract.
It is also of interest to note that 1st contracts are typically not very good. Often management has beaten their employee group so hard that they are willing to sign an inferior contract, just to get the fight over with. That tactic is certainly in play at Flight Options.
Bob is also attempting to splinter the pilot group by referencing the 34% being hurt by the 66%. Well, being Bob, he is already taking liberties with the facts; it was 33% and 67%, but whose counting. What he also is ommitting is that on average, union votes, if they are successful, are usually very close, as in the low 50s vs high 40s. The fact is that 2 out of every 3 Flight Options Pilots (67%) voted for the Union, even with the company's address manipulation and numerous Pilots being forced to request directly from the NMB a ballot which they should have received per the addresses provided by the company (interestingly, said pilots continued to receive their paystubs, but somehow, the initial ballot just got "lost in the mail" LOL).
It is clear that B19 is playing fast and loose with the facts once again. He is playing the "Scare Tactic" card that Flight Options might go out of business due to the big bad union. Well, if Flight Ops does go out of business, it won't be through the fault of the union. It will be because our management refused to pay an industry standard pay package to their highly intelligent and highly skilled pilot force. If that's the choice our management makes, so be it. I will no longer tolerate being under valued by a small group of self-centered executives, who say they care, but have done nothing more than take from all their employees (not just the pilots) since the day they set foot on the property.
Freedom is not free.
Just look at the strategy he is undertaking:
He tries to deflect blame for not yet reaching an agreement on a CBA to whom? The Union Leadership of course. Management dragging their feet never seemed to enter his statement. Nor did the fact that any employment attorney worth his salt will tell you two things: 1. After a newly elected union gets on a once non union property, the average time to a 1st contract is 4-5 years! That's reality folks. Call up your local employment law specialist and ask him yourself. 2. On average, by the time a 1st contract is reached, there are only 25% of the employees still on the property, that were there when the union was originally voted in. Why? Things often get extremely nasty, as management hates to give up any control to their employees. Its only when it becomes too costly to continue fighting their employees (and guess who can most affect those costs), that management will finally be willing to settle a contract.
It is also of interest to note that 1st contracts are typically not very good. Often management has beaten their employee group so hard that they are willing to sign an inferior contract, just to get the fight over with. That tactic is certainly in play at Flight Options.
Bob is also attempting to splinter the pilot group by referencing the 34% being hurt by the 66%. Well, being Bob, he is already taking liberties with the facts; it was 33% and 67%, but whose counting. What he also is ommitting is that on average, union votes, if they are successful, are usually very close, as in the low 50s vs high 40s. The fact is that 2 out of every 3 Flight Options Pilots (67%) voted for the Union, even with the company's address manipulation and numerous Pilots being forced to request directly from the NMB a ballot which they should have received per the addresses provided by the company (interestingly, said pilots continued to receive their paystubs, but somehow, the initial ballot just got "lost in the mail" LOL).
It is clear that B19 is playing fast and loose with the facts once again. He is playing the "Scare Tactic" card that Flight Options might go out of business due to the big bad union. Well, if Flight Ops does go out of business, it won't be through the fault of the union. It will be because our management refused to pay an industry standard pay package to their highly intelligent and highly skilled pilot force. If that's the choice our management makes, so be it. I will no longer tolerate being under valued by a small group of self-centered executives, who say they care, but have done nothing more than take from all their employees (not just the pilots) since the day they set foot on the property.
Freedom is not free.
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storm brewing on the horizon
Hey b-19 Bob, Ford and Harrison goon, flops management or whomever else you are pretending to be. I am often reminded of what a good friend of mine once told me. After surviving Vietnam there is nothing that I am afraid of anymore, nothing scares me. That is exactly how the majority of your senior pilots feel here. I hope your coughers are chock full of cash to support your charter needs in the near future. I could be unemployed from here tomorrow and not give a rats a$$. You wanted a fight and you are going to find yourself immersed in a fire fight you cannot control. I would also like to add for attorneys billing five hunsky an hour I would of hoped they could have done better than that.
Hey b-19 Bob, Ford and Harrison goon, flops management or whomever else you are pretending to be. I am often reminded of what a good friend of mine once told me. After surviving Vietnam there is nothing that I am afraid of anymore, nothing scares me. That is exactly how the majority of your senior pilots feel here. I hope your coughers are chock full of cash to support your charter needs in the near future. I could be unemployed from here tomorrow and not give a rats a$$. You wanted a fight and you are going to find yourself immersed in a fire fight you cannot control. I would also like to add for attorneys billing five hunsky an hour I would of hoped they could have done better than that.
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Hey Bob
You should change your Handle to "BM-19". All of your posts resemble a 19 pound bowel movement.
You should change your Handle to "BM-19". All of your posts resemble a 19 pound bowel movement.
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Ha Ha. That's a pretty good comeback, Bob. I'm starting to believe there might be some blood in your veins after all.
Not a Myth, Not an Urban Legend,
Let's have a show of hands. (metaphorically speaking) Who has heard the story of Shawn and the Toilet Paper? Better yet who has lived the story of Shawn and the Toilet Paper? When I first heard this story I thought it was a myth, but since I've heard it from at least 3 pilots with nearly identical details I think it has to be fairly credible. C'mon, you guys who lived the Shawn and the Toiler Paper adventure I invite you to add it to our Tidbits folder. It's an amusing and illustrative story. Who's gonna be first?
Let's have a show of hands. (metaphorically speaking) Who has heard the story of Shawn and the Toilet Paper? Better yet who has lived the story of Shawn and the Toilet Paper? When I first heard this story I thought it was a myth, but since I've heard it from at least 3 pilots with nearly identical details I think it has to be fairly credible. C'mon, you guys who lived the Shawn and the Toiler Paper adventure I invite you to add it to our Tidbits folder. It's an amusing and illustrative story. Who's gonna be first?
Well ya cant leave us hanging....
Patience
I thought I'd give the guys who lived it a day to post. I think it would be better straight from the horse's mouth.
I thought I'd give the guys who lived it a day to post. I think it would be better straight from the horse's mouth.
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Bob you arrogant ass!
Bob, You are such an arrogant ass! We voted in a Union beacuse you, Sheeringa and Sanjay are on a mission to destroy this company and take away everything that we have worked hard for and earned! You have failed to work with the employees of Flight Options and have clearly demonstrated that you only know how to run a company cheaply, not eficiently! You have taken away my job security by driving away owners with poor mx and service. You have killed my paycheck by taking away perdiem, failing to reimburse me for expenses, raised my insurance and cut my retirement. You have killed my way of life with your jackass move with the new "vacation bidding" and extra assigned days in November as well as taking away my domicile! For you to say that I don't have the nuts is a bold assumtion as it is you and your "team" that lacks the nuts to work with us! By working with the Union to establish a solid CBA and working relationship we will grow and be strong with sustainable profitability. With your continued actions to stall negotiations and run the course that you are running, it is you that is going to directly threaten all of the non-union employees of this company!
Bob, the only thing that I agree with you is that it will take both sides to agree to this! You clearly know what we want, so it is time for you to cut the crap and start working with us!
66% of the pilots didn't force a Union onto this company, You forced us to vote for protection and a say in our future, before you ran us into bankruptcy
Bob, You got the Union you deserved and we are here so get used to it and start working with us!
Bob, You are such an arrogant ass! We voted in a Union beacuse you, Sheeringa and Sanjay are on a mission to destroy this company and take away everything that we have worked hard for and earned! You have failed to work with the employees of Flight Options and have clearly demonstrated that you only know how to run a company cheaply, not eficiently! You have taken away my job security by driving away owners with poor mx and service. You have killed my paycheck by taking away perdiem, failing to reimburse me for expenses, raised my insurance and cut my retirement. You have killed my way of life with your jackass move with the new "vacation bidding" and extra assigned days in November as well as taking away my domicile! For you to say that I don't have the nuts is a bold assumtion as it is you and your "team" that lacks the nuts to work with us! By working with the Union to establish a solid CBA and working relationship we will grow and be strong with sustainable profitability. With your continued actions to stall negotiations and run the course that you are running, it is you that is going to directly threaten all of the non-union employees of this company!
Bob, the only thing that I agree with you is that it will take both sides to agree to this! You clearly know what we want, so it is time for you to cut the crap and start working with us!
66% of the pilots didn't force a Union onto this company, You forced us to vote for protection and a say in our future, before you ran us into bankruptcy
Bob, You got the Union you deserved and we are here so get used to it and start working with us!
As told to me
At one of the USAir feeders Shawn's first gig in aviation stupidity was procurement. He got the big idea to quit buying that expensive toilet paper required by the ATR. In spite of the objections of those that knew better (sound familiar?) the crews were to bring the regular tp from the hotels for use in the ATR. I guess the ATR required something like camper toilet paper. Well the crews knowing better brought double and triple plies for use. Turns out the ATR toilet motors did not dig that and proceeded to burn up. At the tune of about 8 g's apiece. Well it seems to me things haven't changed much and our fearless leader hasn't learned much in his vast aviation experience. Like I say I did not live this cluster but I've heard it from more than one who did. Seems quite plausible. And what I like best is Shawn bid other's to do his dirty work, ie thievery, I bet BT wishes he could have been there.
At one of the USAir feeders Shawn's first gig in aviation stupidity was procurement. He got the big idea to quit buying that expensive toilet paper required by the ATR. In spite of the objections of those that knew better (sound familiar?) the crews were to bring the regular tp from the hotels for use in the ATR. I guess the ATR required something like camper toilet paper. Well the crews knowing better brought double and triple plies for use. Turns out the ATR toilet motors did not dig that and proceeded to burn up. At the tune of about 8 g's apiece. Well it seems to me things haven't changed much and our fearless leader hasn't learned much in his vast aviation experience. Like I say I did not live this cluster but I've heard it from more than one who did. Seems quite plausible. And what I like best is Shawn bid other's to do his dirty work, ie thievery, I bet BT wishes he could have been there.
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Not sticking up for the guy, but Shawn's first aviation gig was with America West after he graduated from ASU.
Also, there have never been ATR's flying in USAir colors. Dash-8's yes, but nothing from France.
If there were problems with the a$$ wipe and the Dash, I never new about them, but that would be way down the list of reasons Shawn was soooo liked by the pilots.
He's been part of 3 Bankruptcies. The shut down of on division within USAir ... remember Metro jet. Retro-active pay and benefit cuts. The termination of pension plans, etc.
The company uses enough misleading facts against us in this battle, we don't want to stoop to their level.
Also, there have never been ATR's flying in USAir colors. Dash-8's yes, but nothing from France.
If there were problems with the a$$ wipe and the Dash, I never new about them, but that would be way down the list of reasons Shawn was soooo liked by the pilots.
He's been part of 3 Bankruptcies. The shut down of on division within USAir ... remember Metro jet. Retro-active pay and benefit cuts. The termination of pension plans, etc.
The company uses enough misleading facts against us in this battle, we don't want to stoop to their level.
First to admit it
Like I said I've only gotten this story second and third hand. But I've heard it so many times is there not even an element of truth in it? If not I take it all back. It ain't like I'm Options Management, I can admit when I've made a mistake.
Not sticking up for the guy, but Shawn's first aviation gig was with America West after he graduated from ASU.
Also, there have never been ATR's flying in USAir colors. Dash-8's yes, but nothing from France.
If there were problems with the a$$ wipe and the Dash, I never new about them, but that would be way down the list of reasons Shawn was soooo liked by the pilots.
He's been part of 3 Bankruptcies. The shut down of on division within USAir ... remember Metro jet. Retro-active pay and benefit cuts. The termination of pension plans, etc.
The company uses enough misleading facts against us in this battle, we don't want to stoop to their level.
Like I said I've only gotten this story second and third hand. But I've heard it so many times is there not even an element of truth in it? If not I take it all back. It ain't like I'm Options Management, I can admit when I've made a mistake.
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