Flight Instructing and wants to go Regional

[Superpilot92]

I am currently flight instructing and hold my CFI/CFII/MEI. I have been instructing for alittle under a year. Does anyone know of a company or place I can go work and build alittle bit more TT and Multi-engine time. I Have 750tt and 150 multi and its not that I dont like instructing but I want to get out there and do something different. There is only so much stalls and steep turns one person likes to do especially in Texas. I am ready for some real world flying. I have applied to XJET
and hopefully will hear something ASAP. I interned there and would love to go back and work there on the line. Any advice about the hiring process right now would be appreciated.


Also whats the word about the L.A base with the 170 or 190 is that just fiction.

 

[Vik]

If you interned at XJET and you've got 750TT/150ME, I'm almost certain they'll call you. They appear to be calling people with 601TT/101ME/21 actual, so it sounds like they'll at least call you for an interview.

Island Air's minimums are 800/200, so you basically need 50 ME more.

Scenic Airlines out of LAS has low minimums but I don't know if they're hiring.

You could try AirNet, and some of the other night cargo ops.

 

[bailout]

True, a good friend just got hired with 650 TT 125MT at XJ.

 

[Superpilot92]

I am anticipating the call from XJET. I really hope that works out because they are my my number one choice. I guess time will tell. I have applied for other cargo jigs but they all want 135 IFR mins. So they dont even look at you unless you meet those.

 

[generaltso]

Boy do I feel sorry for those XJet captains!!

 

[Superpilot92]

Its guys like you that make this job the way it is. You know when i was interning all i heard were people like you bitching about their jobs. If you hate it so much than get out. You offer no real advice other than BOO-HOO look at me i have nothing better to do than put down people who are working their rearends off just to get into the aviation world. If there is one thing i dont want in a career in aviation its to end up someone like you. I am sorry for you that you have no passion for what you do.

 

[Superpilot92]

Boy do i feel sorry for generaltso. EAT MORE CHICKEN and keep on whining. vbmenu_register("postmenu_470617", true);

 

[Vik]

As much as I hate bitter pilots, he has a point.

A couple of Xjet Capts recently mentioned how steep the learning curve is for the 600hr pilots that join.

A lot of people study their asses off for the interview, but they didnt start studying until the interview, so all that stuff evaporates when it comes IOE and post-IOE. At least thats my theory. Then on the job, they're learning new things that they should already know.

I know single pilot IFR is a pain in my plane. I can't imagine dealing with a brand new aircraft, like a ERJ, in solid IMC, alone. Basically, as a FO, you're supposed to be as capable as the Capt to fly that plane and not need the Capts assistance.

The good news is that at least one of those Captains at XJET is responding and providing some insight into what is lacking so that people can be better prepared.

Its guys like you that make this job the way it is. You know when i was interning all i heard were people like you bitching about their jobs. If you hate it so much than get out. You offer no real advice other than BOO-HOO look at me i have nothing better to do than put down people who are working their rearends off just to get into the aviation world. If there is one thing i dont want in a career in aviation its to end up someone like you. I am sorry for you that you have no passion for what you do.

 

[Gobi Gred]

Superpilot92,

If you don't want other pilots putting you down, then don't whine about how "burned out" you are on instructing. I'll be honest, I don't a guy with your time as my FO. You just don't have enough experience. You can only have so many landings, approaches to mins, emergencies, etc. in 750 hours. If you want some advice, get a little more time under your belt. I quess if your lucky enough to get a job with your time, take it. Just don't tell the captains your flying with how you "paid you dues". Cause you haven't.

 

[Superpilot92]

I am not burned out on the instructing job, like i said before i enjoy instructing but i dont feel that its helping me learn anymore. the thing is that when you sit in the right seat and just watch students fly an offer advice time to time. I dont want to make it sound like i am one of those guys who wants to jump head first into a 121 job head first and not be prepared. I have already been preparing for a job with EXJET for over a year now. During my internship i was given the opportunity to fly the sim and jumpseat sa much as i wanted. I learned alot while doing that and on top of that i have already been through and passed the EMB-145 systems course there at XJET. I have all the same materials and learning materials that they give new hires. From the time i ended my internship and all through my instructing so far i have been studying for the RJ and doing anything possible to get ahead of the ball game. The main thing guys is that i am not the type of a guy that wants anything handed to me on a platter. My dad or buddy or anyone else isnt getting me a job somewhere. i have been working towards getting a job with XJET the whole time i was in training and college and now instructing. I am doing this for me and if given the opportunity to fly for Xjet i will be as prepared as i possibly can

 

[SigAV8R]

I am not burned out on the instructing job, like i said before i enjoy instructing but i dont feel that its helping me learn anymore. the thing is that when you sit in the right seat and just watch students fly an offer advice time to time.

First of all...if you're not learning anything from flying, you're already burned out. You should always be learning something. I still do a little flight instruction, but I'm constantly learning from my students. Quite often my students make me think of things which haven't crossed my mind in a while or I've never considered.

During my internship i was given the opportunity to fly the sim and jumpseat sa much as i wanted. I learned alot while doing that and on top of that i have already been through and passed the EMB-145 systems course there at XJET. I have all the same materials and learning materials that they give new hires. From the time i ended my internship and all through my instructing so far i have been studying for the RJ and doing anything possible to get ahead of the ball game. The main thing guys is that i am not the type of a guy that wants anything handed to me on a platter. My dad or buddy or anyone else isnt getting me a job somewhere. i have been working towards getting a job with XJET the whole time i was in training and college and now instructing. I am doing this for me and if given the opportunity to fly for Xjet i will be as prepared as i possibly can

Just because you interned doesn't mean they even have to look at you or consider you. It's not an automatic way in. I'd like to fly for XJET too, but if they call fine...if not fine. Just don't go into it thinking just because you interned that you have a "right" to an interview or a slot. You might want to sound a little more humble if you do go to an interview. Just giving my worthless $.02.

 

[Propsync]

Been there, done that

Super92, what's the f#$%@ng rush? Afraid that if you have a thousand dual given, nobody will hire you? I feel I'm fairly sharp, but when I made the transition from a Skyhawk to a 300 knot jet, it was hard. Some of you that think you're ready are sorely mistaken. It WILL eat you alive. If you have extra sim sessions, failed checkrides, more than the min for OE, or captains taking the controls from you on a regular basis, you aren't ready. I really don't even want to say this, but I see a few guys at 750-1000 hours who are as useful as filling the requirement to be in the seat. And the travelling public deserves more. Heck, we all deserve more. My 'advice' is to be a flight instructor until they call, if they want you. I see so many instructors that say in front of their students 'x more hours and I'm out of here'. Please, don't be that person.
Also, these captains seem bitter to you, but have you ever tried to fly with a 750 hour pilot in low IFR, ice, and/or thunderstorms? Vik makes the point, you should be as able as the captain, but you only have half the experience required to be typed in that airplane. I'm not saying some of you aren't able to do a good job, but some don't.

 

[Superpilot92]

I never said that i was a for sure with getting a job because of the internship. I mearly was saying that i have worked with people there and i have heard good things and bad things about the company but from what i see is i am from houston and i can get based there in houston eventually. If given the Oportunity to prove my self to an airline i would do anything possible to do my best. If i dont get a job i soon i am still going to be instructing until i finally do get a break. The main thing is i am trying to work my way up just like everyone else and not buying a job or any of those cheap ways of getting in. I am flying cessnas and mooneys and seminoles and i enjoy it. I enjoy soloing someone for the first time or signing someone off for a multi check ride. I am just riding the bus until it stops for something better.

 

[Superpilot92]

I originally posted this in the hopes that i could get some adviceon places to look at getting a 135 job at or any of you guys could tell me what you all did after flight instructing? I would love to get a job with some 135 outfit to build experiance. I am just trying to work hard and enjoy flying.

 

[Smacktard]

but i dont feel that its helping me learn anymore.

With a name like super pilot, 750 hours of time and comments like above, maybe generaltso isn't too far off. Consider yourself lucky if you get the XJet call, but as for the rest of the industry plan on 1200/200 as a MINIMUM. I would set that as your goal instead of trying to angle for a lucky break at a 121 carrier. Not that I would have passed up ANY call when I had 750, the point is, carriers have minimums for a reason. At 750 hours, yes you're capable in a single, maybe a small twin, but jets with 50 passengers are a whole new deal. Get more multi, get some jet time, keep working and it will happen. Everyone else in this forum was just as anxious as you at 750, you just have to keep flying, that's the only real answer.