Flight clearance recorder

[601Pilot]

I want to buy a portable flight clearance recorder and was wondering if anyone has seen one lately? I know some company
had one for sale the last year or so that would plug into your
headset and would record for approx. 30 seconds. If anyone
knows where I can get one, please let me know.

Thanks.

601Pilot

 

[azpilot]

This may sound dumb but I don't think these things are really necessary. Just write

C - Cleared to
R - Route
A - Altitude
F - Frequency
T - Squawk Code

On a piece of paper and go from there. While most of my clearances have not been overly complex this is an easy way to do it. Besides you have to read back the clearance to the controller right away anyway. I have also seen pads of paper with this type of stuff on it for $5-$6.

Just a thought. If you still want one you might check Marvgolden.com . They have great pricing on pilot gear.

- AZPilot

 

[MetroSheriff]

I think they are on page 13 of the new Sporty's Catalog. Right between the hold entry computer and the little bubble thingy to see if you are going to make it over the top of oncoming clouds. You know, the page right before the Lady J adapter for the porta-johnny (piss bucket).

 

[Bluto]

A hold computer?!

Finally my prayers have been answered! A hold computer! I'll order two! Just in case one gets stuck behind my "cockpit organizer" on the passenger seat. Thank goodness for the pilot gadget shops!

 

[ShawnC]

I got this really nifty Flight Clearance recorder, it's called a pen, and this new amazing technology called paper.

 

[bigD]

My favorite dorky items from Sporty's:

The altitude reminder thingy where you dial in your assigned altitude.

The landing gear training device. Look for three green in your Cessna 150!

The traffic pattern training device - use this whiz wheel to find headings for each leg. What better place to bury your head in the cockpit than the traffic pattern!

The Preflight Step. Now, this item itself isn't dorky - plenty of people have high wing planes and choose not to dirty their airframe with a hand hold on the cowling. But dorky is spending $80 on this when you can buy a little stool at Target for $10.

 

[filejw]

Must be related to a guy I gave IOE to a few yrs ago in the DC9.Showed up with a kneeboard.

 

[MetroSheriff]

The kneeboard had all the important things printed on it though, like light gun signals, the 6 Ts, and VFR cruising altitudes.

 

[Brett Hull]

Ahhh. The kneeboard

The one thing I learned in upgrade training in the Lear a couple of years ago from my sim partner was "a professional pilot always uses a kneeboard". That was news to me. Not sure if he had the sight level, though.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Re: Ahhh. The kneeboard

"a professional pilot always uses a kneeboard". That was news to me. Not sure if he had the sight level, though.

Only if he is a dork.

And yes, I'd bet the farm hed had sight level somewhere in his sack o' "professional pilot" goodies.

 

[Anaconda]

Besides you have to read back the clearance to the controller right away anyway.

says who?

 

[bigD]

Okay...if using a kneeboard is dorky, then guilty as charged...but what the hell else am I suppose to use as a support for whatever I'm writing a clearance on?

 

[Anaconda]

i will have to pay attention more on my next trip, i don't recall them saying that very often...where do you work that they say this to you?

something i do hear a lot though..."don't read your clearance back unless you have a question"

 

[Anaconda]

all the smaller airports i fly into don't ask for jack unless extenuating circumstances necessitate a readback...such as a very complex clearance or perhaps the call sign was blocked, etc. other than that, i've never been "asked" to read it back.

have you ever heard a crew read nothing more than their call sign and perhaps xpndr code? did the controller then request they read back everything? i doubt it...

disclaimer...i read back my clearances. i just took issue with the statement that you HAVE to read it back, sinced i learned a long time ago from some wise old army IFE's that it isn't true and also because i hear it (or should i say, don't hear it) go on every day i fly...

 

[Anaconda]

i was flying out of someplace the other day, forget the name, and i read back my clearance as usual. well, i went to get a coke or something, and when i came back into the cockpit the captain was reading the clearance back to atc even though i had already done so. based on some of the things this guy was doing on the trip, i got the impression that wasn't the first time he had done that and it wasn't the last. i suppose you could say he was just being cautious and doing a little c.y.a., but i think it had more to do with not trusting his copilots.

have you ever seen that deftone?

anyway, the point is, i guess that atc got tired of read-backs because immediately after that they amended the atis to include the statement not to read back your clnc!

do you work for corpex by any chance???

 

[azpilot]

Readback...

says who?

Uh, I seem to remember something during my instrument training that discussed the reading back of clearances. While you don't have to read back the clearance word for word it is at least recommended in the AIM you read back the pertinent parts. I have never had a controller not ask me to read back a clearance.

AIM 4-4-4
a. Record ATC Clearance - When conductiing an IFR operation, make a written record of your clearance...b

b. ATC Clearance/Instruction Readback. Pilots of airborne aircraft should read back those parts of ATC clearances and instruction containing altitude assignments or vectors as means of mutual verification. The readback of the "numbers" serves as a double check between pilots and controllers and reduces the kinds of commmunication errors that occur when a number is either "misheard" or is incorrect.

1. Include the aircraft identification in all readbacks....

Seems like you are taking a pretty big risk not verifying the clearance unless you were explicitily told not to do so.

 

[ClassG]

Actually, there are a number of place (Chicago, ORD comes to mind) where if you read back the full clearance, you'll annoy the shiznet out of just about everyone listening. You'll even get to be called "ROOOKIE!" on the clearance channel by guys like.....well, I don't know who exactly does that. The only thing they want to hear is your squawk readback.

Now, I realize that's because everyone's so busy at ORD, they need to cut things short. But I've done this many a time in Denver where everyone's got nothing but time to waste. The clearance delivery guy will sound a little put off (like he needs someone to talk to) but, "Squawk readback correct" is all they say.

There are some circumstances where they like a full readback. For instance, when you hear "I have an amendment to your routinmg, advise ready to copy." You'd be out of you mind not to verify it with a full readback. And in that case, many timesthe controller will ask "And verify you have the change in routing." That's been my experience. Is a full readback required AT THE GATE, ON THE GROUND, when the aircraft is not under ATC supervision? I don't think so.

Where's our ATC guys on this one?

 

[Anaconda]

first i said i did read back my clncs, so don't flame me and i'm not the one taking the risk...

the first part of the aim you mentioned said a "written record", didn't mention reading back

the second part dealt with "airborne" acft, not what the discussion was about

my ref. is from the mil., which of course really isn't pertinant to this discussion...

 

[tarp]

The "breathy" sounding guy on LaGuardia clearance won't let you get away unless the readback is EXACTLY as he stated it. He is very hard to please.

I've tried and heard others try to cut it down but he just won't accept it and then he adds insult to injury with "confirm you have ATIS information November".

He sure is a funny guy but he really backs up LGA clearance frequency. I now try to say the exact words as fast as I can and place the ATIS information word in there about 3 times just to see if I can rattle him. Of course that backfired on me one day when my readback was right at 5 minutes to the hour and of course the new ATIS code came up.

 

[601Pilot]

FCR

FlyChicaga,

God Bless her! She can be my F/O anytime!!!

I didn't know that everyone on this board is so d@mn cynical!
You ask one question about a digital recorder and everyone comes out of the woodwork!

601Pilot