Flight clearance recorder

[azpilot]

Readback...

says who?

Uh, I seem to remember something during my instrument training that discussed the reading back of clearances. While you don't have to read back the clearance word for word it is at least recommended in the AIM you read back the pertinent parts. I have never had a controller not ask me to read back a clearance.

AIM 4-4-4
a. Record ATC Clearance - When conductiing an IFR operation, make a written record of your clearance...b

b. ATC Clearance/Instruction Readback. Pilots of airborne aircraft should read back those parts of ATC clearances and instruction containing altitude assignments or vectors as means of mutual verification. The readback of the "numbers" serves as a double check between pilots and controllers and reduces the kinds of commmunication errors that occur when a number is either "misheard" or is incorrect.

1. Include the aircraft identification in all readbacks....

Seems like you are taking a pretty big risk not verifying the clearance unless you were explicitily told not to do so.

 

[ClassG]

Actually, there are a number of place (Chicago, ORD comes to mind) where if you read back the full clearance, you'll annoy the shiznet out of just about everyone listening. You'll even get to be called "ROOOKIE!" on the clearance channel by guys like.....well, I don't know who exactly does that. The only thing they want to hear is your squawk readback.

Now, I realize that's because everyone's so busy at ORD, they need to cut things short. But I've done this many a time in Denver where everyone's got nothing but time to waste. The clearance delivery guy will sound a little put off (like he needs someone to talk to) but, "Squawk readback correct" is all they say.

There are some circumstances where they like a full readback. For instance, when you hear "I have an amendment to your routinmg, advise ready to copy." You'd be out of you mind not to verify it with a full readback. And in that case, many timesthe controller will ask "And verify you have the change in routing." That's been my experience. Is a full readback required AT THE GATE, ON THE GROUND, when the aircraft is not under ATC supervision? I don't think so.

Where's our ATC guys on this one?

 

[Anaconda]

first i said i did read back my clncs, so don't flame me and i'm not the one taking the risk...

the first part of the aim you mentioned said a "written record", didn't mention reading back

the second part dealt with "airborne" acft, not what the discussion was about

my ref. is from the mil., which of course really isn't pertinant to this discussion...

 

[tarp]

The "breathy" sounding guy on LaGuardia clearance won't let you get away unless the readback is EXACTLY as he stated it. He is very hard to please.

I've tried and heard others try to cut it down but he just won't accept it and then he adds insult to injury with "confirm you have ATIS information November".

He sure is a funny guy but he really backs up LGA clearance frequency. I now try to say the exact words as fast as I can and place the ATIS information word in there about 3 times just to see if I can rattle him. Of course that backfired on me one day when my readback was right at 5 minutes to the hour and of course the new ATIS code came up.

 

[601Pilot]

FCR

FlyChicaga,

God Bless her! She can be my F/O anytime!!!

I didn't know that everyone on this board is so d@mn cynical!
You ask one question about a digital recorder and everyone comes out of the woodwork!

601Pilot