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Dennis Miller

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After nearly a yearlong battle, Congress recently passed an FAA Reauthorization bill that includes provisions to certify flight attendants for our role as safety professionals. This is an important milestone for all flight attendants – it will help strengthen our role as air safety professionals and better define our status onboard the aircraft, to passengers and crew alike. AFA hopes to continue building on the success of this victory to ensure many more safeguards and improvements for our profession.

In fact, AFA’s Constitution and Bylaws specifically list certification as one of the primary objectives of the union. According to the Constitution and Bylaws, AFA’s Objective #4 is:

“To promote the interest of the profession and to safeguard the rights, individually and collectively, of the members of the Union by securing the long-range goal of flight attendant certification.”

We have finally achieved that “long-range goal” and can now build upon this success to improve our profession even further.

Until now, all work groups overseen by the FAA have been certified to perform their jobs. Upon completion of their training, every employee from pilots to parachute packers receives a certificate, which is required to perform their jobs. But flight attendants – who receive extensive safety training, and now, in the post September 11th world, are required to act as security personnel in the aircraft cabin – had never been certified. Our lack of certification allowed us to be categorized as second-class employees and continue to be viewed – despite our extensive safety and security training – by our companies, the government and the flying public as merely “waitresses in the sky.”

But no more. With passage of this legislation, we have finally been recognized as the professionals we are and received the respect we have long sought and deserved. No more will the government, our employers and the public be able to simply view us as servers in the air. We have finally been recognized for our safety roles and will forever be considered primarily as safety professionals onboard the aircraft.

Aside from the overdue respect and recognition we will now receive, certification provides a number of other important benefits. It will help lead to the portability of our jobs and make us more marketable to airlines that may be hiring, as it will standardize our profession and create incentives for airlines to hire experienced flight attendants over other applicants. An airline that hires a certified flight attendant would no longer have to send them through the entire initial training program; the airline specific training would suffice because the flight attendant’s certification would serve as proof that they had completed initial training.

Our certification will provide us with the ability to earn further recognition at the bargaining table. Management will now be forced to recognize that our professional role is an important piece in the safety of the entire aircraft.

Certification will also help improve our training. Currently, carriers are granted too many waivers, which allow them to skip or ‘water down’ crucial safety training. We hope to build on the success of certification to provide a level playing field for all training. When certified, flight attendants should receive the same level of training, regardless of the whims of their carriers.

Most importantly, certification would not require flight attendants to receive any new training or medical clearance. Flight attendants will simply receive certification for the training we are already required to complete. Nothing new will be required.

According to the new law, all current flight attendants will continue to serve as flight attendants; within one year of the law’s enactment, the FAA will issue certificates to all current flight attendants. In addition, the FAA has 120 days to issue certificates to flight attendants hired after enactment of the law or upon completion of recurrent training. The certificates will appear similar to those issued to pilots, and will contain each flight attendant’s appropriate information such as name and address, and will include the airplane group for which the flight attendant is certified.

Congratulations to everyone on this important victory and thanks to every one who kept the pressure on Congress and made this AFA victory a reality.


Now it will be more like “waitresses in the sky” packin' paper. More peanuts Mr. Bond?
 
I hope along with this new certificate they will also be required to have some sort of medical as well......
 
Congratulations to everyone on this important victory and thanks to every one who kept the pressure on Congress and made this AFA victory a reality.

Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it !!!

Welcome to the red tape!
 
Not only a Medical but take a checkride every six months. They also should have to take a test, oral, and practical to get that certificate.

Now with all that they will ask for ridiculous pay raises.

RJ
 
jetexas said:
Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it !!!

Welcome to the red tape!

Jetexas,

My sentiments exactly. This is the other side of the double edged sword that is unionization and collective bargaining. The AFA decided for all of us that this was an important piece of legislation and it was then handily forced down our throats. Oh Well.
 
quote from vclean:

"Glad to hear it. Now when you error, the FAA can suspend or revoke your license."



Exactly........welcome to the world of FAA "certification" folks. Have fun with it....lol

;)
 
We should start a pool on who the first airline with "PFT Flight Attendants" will be!:)
 
Dennis Miller said:
Until now, all work groups overseen by the FAA have been certified to perform their jobs. Upon completion of their training, every employee from pilots to parachute packers receives a certificate, which is required to perform their jobs

What about Ramp Agents, Gate Agents Etc. I only view this as a tool for management to use to replace striking F/A's with certificated F/A's on a 2 day course. AFA even states "An airline that hires a certified flight attendant would no longer have to send them through the entire initial training program; the airline specific training would suffice because the flight attendant’s certification would serve as proof that they had completed initial training" . Good Job AFA! You've screwed any F/A's possibility of striking by making it easier to replace them. You think AFA would of thought, Dang that sure was easy to pass.:confused:
 
pft

There have already bee a bunch of PFT airlines in regards to flight attendants. This will make it worse because it adds value to the training. Before if you did PFT, the certificate was only good for the airline who's program you followed. Now it is one size fits all.
 
Time to hit the bricks

Unruly passengers, terrorism, contentious contract negotiations, and now superfluous certifications with all the ensuing beauracracy....this job is rapidly becoming way more trouble than it is worth. Has anyone seen the want ads?
 
Anybody have any insight as to time-to-train issues WRT F/As? My uninformed guess would have been 2 weeks or less...seems if you can take someone off the street and turn them into an F/A in 2 weeks, either the training is inadequate, or the certification is not required...
 
LEROY said:
Anybody have any insight as to time-to-train issues WRT F/As? My uninformed guess would have been 2 weeks or less...seems if you can take someone off the street and turn them into an F/A in 2 weeks, either the training is inadequate, or the certification is not required...

At WN, we currently spend 5 weeks in initial training and we are only required to learn evac drills on a single aircraft type. The other majors with multiple A/C tend to train a little longer while the regionals generally have shorter initial training courses.
 
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canyonblue said:
AFA even states "An airline that hires a certified flight attendant would no longer have to send them through the entire initial training program; the airline specific training would suffice because the flight attendant’s certification would serve as proof that they had completed initial training" . Good Job AFA! You've screwed any F/A's possibility of striking by making it easier to replace them. You think AFA would of thought, Dang that sure was easy to pass.:confused:

My sentiments exactly. I don't recall AFA contacting me and asking my opinion on this issue. I'm also dissapointed in TWU for supporting this. I wrote my congressman and asked him not to support this. Hopefully we'll have this current contract settled before all of this takes effect.
 
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Dieterly said:
Is that give, or take oral?

Be carefulll what you ask for, plenty of gay Flight Attendants out there for you and would just love to salute your Number 1.
 
Since now F/As would be certified airmen, and their certificate would be required for their job, does this mean that they would be legal to jumpseat under 121.547?

God I hope not.
 
dispatchguy said:


God I hope not.

Not that I think this would ever happen, since jumpseat availability is still ultimately based on company policy and the PIC, I'm curious as to why you would you say that?
 
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