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Beside being under paid for that equipment, there is a good deal of animosity for the JR FO's in those seats.
flexlrpilot357 said:BTW, Like it or not, Flexjet is surely the most efficiently run fractional.
flexlrpilot357 said:
BTW, Like it or not, Flexjet is surely the most efficiently run fractional.
Hire till you furlough. Furlough till you have to hire?
If I understand the way you explained your work schedule...
What I protest is the claim by some that the union has not been beneficial to my situation...
I am not working a boatload more days per year like you are... as I am sure I would be if it were not for the Teamsters.
I am commuting to Dallas instead of Columbus (as I was when I started)... and as I would be if NJA management followed FLEX's lead in having pilots all fly out of HomePlate
I don't feel sorry for the very few people who got furloughed out of seniority from Flex. They would have/should have been fired anyway, for sucking real bad, and they got a better deal by getting "furloughed".I wasn't Furloughed out of Seniority...
That is where you are wrong flexlrpilot357, it actually saves the company money by having gateways all over the country. If all the pilots were based in Columbus, it would be a logistics nightmare. By having pilots like Gunfyter in Dallas, he shows up at the FBO and jumps in the X, otherwise, he would have had to been airlined to DAL from CMH.That's costing you, because it costs the company, and like it or not, you are intrinsically tied to the health of the company. You may not see it now, but that expense will cost the company, and that will be passed on to you. The piggy bank is only so big.
This is exactly how management thinks too, and those pilots have no recourse unlike pilots who are represented.I don't feel sorry for the very few people who got furloughed out of seniority from Flex.
flexlrpilot357 might not be management after all, he obviously doesn't know much about Fractionals. If he did, he would have know that the more airplanes you have, the more efficient your operation becomes. Less time ferrying airplanes for the next trip = your statement above (EFFICIENCY)! You compare NJA to UAL as if NJA is trying to get too big too fast, two completely different business models and profit margins.Efficiency, to me at least, means wise and cost-effective utilization of resources. Like it or not, believe it or not, that's something Flexjet does very well
This is a good one, sounds just like a junior manager talking. I love the qualifier "when needed". Here is a new concept, if it were an efficient operation then you wouldn't have to trim excess. Does the term furlough ring the efficiency bell here?Efficient operation may include, unfortunately, trimming excess (expensive) resources when needed.
Did you know the union created a travel committee that has reduced costs for the company while improving the quality of hotels for the pilots? What have you done to improve efficiency at your company? Nod your head yes to everything management asks you to do including furloughing out of seniority? Nod your head yes!Even from talking to Netjets pilots, I can tell that their system is much less efficient
Yep, NJA only hires captains. The minimums are higher at NJA then they are at most carriers; ATP, 2500TT, 500ME, and all pilots are typed. But don't confuse safety with efficiency, remember who started this whole fractional business? Do you ever wonder why NJA does not operate Lears or Challengers? Ever hear the story about Santulli bringing his fractional idea to Bombardier and them laughing him out of the room? I'm pretty sure he knows all about "competiton in the marketplace".Hey - doesn't Netjets pay a bunch of FOs a Captain's salary? How is that efficient?
What the heck does that mean?At flexjet you have to have a reason not to operate into and out of ASE.
At NJA and FLOPS you have to give a reason why you CAN operate out of KASE.
That's pretty much the norm at all frax, AFAIK. Are you going to tell me that you're just "better" next? Your pee-pee longer too?The minimums are higher at NJA then they are at most carriers; ATP, 2500TT, 500ME, and all pilots are typed.