Flexjet Union Drive

[FalconPilot69]

Here's to a fast turnaround

THEN, just when things are starting to turn around - CEO takes the parachute and moves on somewhere elsequote]

 

[FalconPilot69]

Dog,

"Early outs are not in the Bombardier culture."

Change the freakin culture and show the pilots what "best in class" is. Oh yeah, Netjets already showed that with their package. My bad.

Was there some kind of early out thing offered to the older guys prior to furloughs?

 

[Propilot77]

Dog,

"Early outs are not in the Bombardier culture."

Change the freakin culture and show the pilots what "best in class" is. Oh yeah, Netjets already showed that with their package. My bad.

I couldn't agree more...but we all know that will never happen.

 

[Necromonger]

Union?

It's time for a change in the Pilot's Group "Culture."

Send in your cards

 

[FastJP4]

Management (FG) isn't going to change a thing (other than to continue to degrade your job), unless the pilot groups creates the need for them (FG) to change something for the positive.

Here's to hoping you guys and gals do something instead of sitting on your hands and taking it up the wazoo.

Flex has become the Fractional version of Mesa in an incredibly short period of time.

 

[Dooker]

Inigo, I remember your post of a year or so ago that you hadn’t decided on whether you wanted a union at FLEX. I see you’ve chosen sides. Your post of 4-26-09 is a very good post…reasonable, non-flaming, and easily read (ie correct spelling, etc). Oh, and also easily dismissed by reasonable people.
To address your points:
a)If you believe the company didn’t weigh EVERY option on the table, you are wrong. Lay-offs are the last option..WHY..it isn’t that management loves you, but rather it is the most expensive way to realign supply and demand. The decision to lay people off is not made easily.
b)Not sure what to say about your pay comment, other than I have good pay and benfits in our marketplace, and they will continue to be competitive in the future.
c)Our rest rules allow us to get plenty of rest and yet maintain some flexibility for changes in owner demand. And yes, I turn my phone off during rest.
d)Can’t say much about your driving hours to an airport to save money, ‘cause I haven’t experienced that .
e)Your best job protection is simply doing your best at work…the owners see that. Union contracts protecting job rights are mostly ephemeral…they go away in times like these.

I’m not trying to be a cheerleader for Bombardier or trying to change your mind(oh, maybe a little), but Bombardier is a good company to work for and have treated me right for many years. Is it perfect?? No, but it gets a little better every year. Some of it’s employees are unionized, and so management knows how to deal with unions. It’s not that big a deal if you vote in your union,its just that the “flavor” of personal relationships change, the “me vs. them” attitude sets in, and the UAW/Detroit syndrome is established.
I wish you the best.

Glad to hear you got in at the right time, Warlord19, are are among the guys at this outfit who don't have to worry about getting LAID OFF (not furloughed) in a bummer economy, when the chance of landing even a ******************** flying job just to maintain currency is next to nil.

My biggest reason for wanting a union? Recall rights. I have a deep dread that if this job goes, I might have to say sayanora to aviation. Forever. I've got a family. I'm entrenched where I live. I can't just head off to India or Dubai or wherever the jobs are and continue aviating.

At least if we had even a bare-bones CBA, we could put our seniority numbers in our back pockets and go forth into the world of crappy non-flying jobs that awaits those of us clinging to the bottom of the list, find something in the interim to put food on the table and, once things turn around, make some graceful re-entry into the cockpit, rather than having to start from the bottom all over again.

Our time at this company would actually count for something, 'cos right now, it don't mean ********************.

Peace out.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Fred Greed is living up to his reputation here thats for sure.
Too bad they are closing the SFO stock locker, I was out there the other day and enjoyed all the union fodder in there. It was hilarious. Hopefully we have enough croutons to vote it in this time.

 

[FalconPilot69]

For those of us who are pro and con union.......

The union is coming....All we have to decide is which union orgainization to go with. We definetly don't have to go with the IBT1108. This bill, from what I understand, will allow us for an internal, Southwest Airlines type of union. Read about it boys and girls, because this bill will pass and we will vote in a union. My vote is for an internal one personally, but I can see the advantages of going with an IBT initially so that we can learn.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1409

 

[warlord19]

Dooker:
I don’t think an apology to you (or anyone) is due from people “who got in at the right time.” I arrived accidently having gone thru MULTIPLE “downsizing” from corporations during the ‘90’s. I know firsthand how our layed-off fellow pilots are feeling and reacting. The folks truly dedicated to flying will make their way back eventually, and the others will find new paths of work. Flex will recall them by seniority when demand returns. That’s how it works in ANY profession in a supply and demand economy. It’s Darwinian Laws at work, and it’s not easy to accept. If Bombardier had been mistreating or abusing the pilot group over the years, I assure you we would be “organized” by now. That is not the case, however, and is why I believe that historically there hasn’t been much sympathy for a union. Maybe that’s changing, I don’t know. Seems like “union fever” strikes every spring. If it’s voted in this year, big deal. I do know that until someone can make a reasonable and overwhelming case for a union, I’ll keep my dues money in the bank.
On a personal note, Dooker, I’ve always thought your postings here a little goofy (probably helped by your stage-name, picture, and quirky sense of humor(at least you have one)), but I appreciate that posting and hope you are able to remain at FLEX.
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PS. I guess the pilot group will be “taking it up the wazoo” tomorrow when the bonus checks hit their bank accounts, but that must be some kind of union logic I don’t understand.

 

[hammer2]

Dooker:
I don’t think an apology to you (or anyone) is due from people “who got in at the right time.” I arrived accidently having gone thru MULTIPLE “downsizing” from corporations during the ‘90’s. I know firsthand how our layed-off fellow pilots are feeling and reacting. The folks truly dedicated to flying will make their way back eventually, and the others will find new paths of work. Flex will recall them by seniority when demand returns. That’s how it works in ANY profession in a supply and demand economy. It’s Darwinian Laws at work, and it’s not easy to accept. If Bombardier had been mistreating or abusing the pilot group over the years, I assure you we would be “organized” by now. That is not the case, however, and is why I believe that historically there hasn’t been much sympathy for a union. Maybe that’s changing, I don’t know. Seems like “union fever” strikes every spring. If it’s voted in this year, big deal. I do know that until someone can make a reasonable and overwhelming case for a union, I’ll keep my dues money in the bank.
On a personal note, Dooker, I’ve always thought your postings here a little goofy (probably helped by your stage-name, picture, and quirky sense of humor(at least you have one)), but I appreciate that posting and hope you are able to remain at FLEX.
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PS. I guess the pilot group will be “taking it up the wazoo” tomorrow when the bonus checks hit their bank accounts, but that must be some kind of union logic I don’t understand.

I feel like I'm reading a post from an acp on the bluebelly!