Flexjet QOL getting flushed down the toilet.

[DirtyBeech]

Why would one not just take the rental car from ADS and go home (assuming one leaves within reasonable driving distance from ADS) instead of a hotel room? It's as cheap as, if not cheaper than, the hotel room, and you get to go home and unload your dirty laundry/eat a home cooked meal/sleep in your own bed.

If someone is caught checking into a hotel room and then going home they should be fired. That's stealing from us all in the name of not enough hotel points to buy a stick of gum.

 

[can99]

DirtyBeech you aren't listening are you ?????

 

[pers-headwall]

This issue is already dead..

 

[gret]

I agree.

 

[ArtVandalay]

FG will not leave until someone in Montreal points him towards a door. He's found his perfect situation:

1. An incredibly weak pilot group, and no form of any union to bother him with the pesky little details of contractural obligations. QOL issues for the pilots - "who cares". Slash their pay - "who cares". Throw as many on the street as possible - "who cares". No food while on standby duty - "who cares". No hotel if laying over in a domicile - "who cares". That's just for starters - you can rest assured their will be more treats in the future.

2. The rest of management at the Waterview is in CYA mode, and all are afraid to say anything to him. He is the king, and they (much like the pilots) are his servants.

3. His boss's are 1,500 miles away. They talk to FG, and FG supplies them with numbers and info. I seriously doubt they are even aware of how he is a one man wrecking crew in Waterview - most likely they think he is doing a wonderful job, afterall - Fred says he is.

Nope, FG will suck the life out of what used to be a respectable, career oriented company. THAT is his personal business model. His additional compensation package comes from margins - profit percentage, decrease in costs, "efficiencies", slashing labor costs, saved money from hotels & food etc. etc. etc.

A HUGE chunk of what is being ripped away from the pilot group goes towards HIS bonus's for HIS bank account. If you think he gives a rats a$$ about you whatsoever - you are sorely mistaken.

The ONLY way to do something about this is to form some type of a bargaining position. And with someone like FG, your not forming a bargaining position to get at FG, your forming a bargaining position to get the message to Montreal. And rest assured - those walking on pins and needles throughout Waterview want the same thing to happen.

To know your future, study the past. What your experiencing now is FG's history on pilot interaction. He's had 30 years to prepare. Are you in a position to defend yourself's against him?

This is an excellent synopsis of what we're dealing with here.

I know he wasnt at VA for long but I would enjoy the comments from some of those guys while he was there. Maybe I'm gonna post and find out.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Part of the problem with the policy changes, and just some of the policies we already have, is that they are written by people who live in dallas, and they have no idea what its like for those of us that live in one of the other bases. ONT as a whole is a massive base. Those guys out there do a lot of driving. Just reporting to LAX instead of ONT on day one adds hours to their day, yet none of that is duty. But thats another argument

And on another note, with all of these changes this spring, there has not been one CAB meeting to discuss them. Shouldn't the company at least run the changes past the CAB to get some feedback and maybe avoid some of the backlash they are getting now? Isn't that what the CAB is for? I just don't get it, I'd like to see the CAB have more involvement, but I have not heard a peep out of them recently.

Frustrated

 

[Propilot77]

The CAB what a Joke

Part of the problem with the policy changes, and just some of the policies we already have, is that they are written by people who live in dallas, and they have no idea what its like for those of us that live in one of the other bases. ONT as a whole is a massive base. Those guys out there do a lot of driving. Just reporting to LAX instead of ONT on day one adds hours to their day, yet none of that is duty. But thats another argument

And on another note, with all of these changes this spring, there has not been one CAB meeting to discuss them. Shouldn't the company at least run the changes past the CAB to get some feedback and maybe avoid some of the backlash they are getting now? Isn't that what the CAB is for? I just don't get it, I'd like to see the CAB have more involvement, but I have not heard a peep out of them recently.

Frustrated

That's because the CAB is a joke! When are you guys going to realize this! The head of the CAB has no intention of helping us, he is there for his own personal gain. It is a complete waste of time... a joke at best!

You do not lead by hitting people over the head - that's assault, not leadership.

 

[Necromonger]

Cab

Club ORD... Yes, We would all love to think that the CAB is here to help us. Management has given them credit for many policy changes in the past. Please, do not be fooled. The CAB has not even met this year. I do not believe that they have met since FR came to Flex. If anything was ever run before the CAB for their input, it was strickty for show.

That's because the CAB is a joke! When are you guys going to realize this! The head of the CAB has no intention of helping us, he is there for his own personal gain. It is a complete waste of time... a joke at best!
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Propilot... You are so right. The CAB used to be a group of guys asked, by their peers, to represent them. Now, the head of the CAB does not fall into this category. Years ago, he just started showing up to the meetings. Eventually, they just let him join the club, and let him take notes during the meetings.

One thing to remember, this guy has probably applied for every management and training position that has come available. He wants to be an ACP in the worst way. Now, others have taken his lead, and have appointed themselves to the CAB. Just look at the newest members from last year.

There is a new CAB out here. With the exception of a few who have been on the CAB for a while, their aspirations are to become management.

Just look at the management team we have in place. From our chief to the ACP's, over half are exCAB members. Two of them used to lead the CAB.

Now, tell me... Are the New CAB members going to help us, or are some of them just trying to get closer to management?



Someone, please tell me I'm full o' crap.

 

[Ludicris]

BB is a perfect example of this! He wants a position of authority in the worst way. Must have felt inadequate as a child.

 

[doh]

BB is a perfect example of this! He wants a position of authority in the worst way. Must have felt inadequate as a child.

I don't believe that's his problem at all! He is inadequate as an adult, that is the real problem.

 

[ArtVandalay]

No, he's an inadequate child.

 

[johnnyride24]

Why would one not just take the rental car from ADS and go home (assuming one leaves within reasonable driving distance from ADS) instead of a hotel room? It's as cheap as, if not cheaper than, the hotel room, and you get to go home and unload your dirty laundry/eat a home cooked meal/sleep in your own bed.

If someone is caught checking into a hotel room and then going home they should be fired. That's stealing from us all in the name of not enough hotel points to buy a stick of gum.

Week, who cares about saving Flex money...

If you want to go home thats great get a car and if another wants a Hotel they should be given a hotel.
If they then go home on there own dime who cares, not stealing.
Maybe they want to go home and then come back to the hotel later? or they want the points.

Its not about saving Flex money but preserving quality of life for your fellow pilots at Flex.

Im sure Flex will blow that money you save on bonuses or something else.

Get a clue.....

Hang on for the FG ride been there done that...

 

[Propilot77]

Week, who cares about saving Flex money...

If you want to go home thats great get a car and if another wants a Hotel they should be given a hotel.
If they then go home on there own dime who cares, not stealing.
Maybe they want to go home and then come back to the hotel later? or they want the points.

Its not about saving Flex money but preserving quality of life for your fellow pilots at Flex.

Im sure Flex will blow that money you save on bonuses or something else.

Get a clue.....

Hang on for the FG ride been there done that...

The owners already pay for our hotels in their contracts! So it's not a money saving issue but like johnnyride said "FG BONUS" money. Also, cut my pay I will deal with that, But my QOL I will not accept Things here are getting worse by the minute!

 

[DirtyBeech]

Gentlemen,

I'm not remotely arguing for the company in regards to not setting up hotel rooms in one's domicile. If you want or need it then by all means you should get it.

What I'm saying is that unless you live an ungodly distance from where flight operations terminated, that I can't see a reason why you'd want a hotel room over your house if DFW based.

Btw, it is stealing to have the company pay for a room you have no intention of using. If the room is already payed for in the owner contract, and you don't use it, does that money not go towards profit? And as far as saving Flex money, I agree that few management groups do stupid as well as ours does, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by not trying to save the money when feasible. Whether it's trying to save fuel on a leg or not making the company pay for an unused hotel room makes no difference.

We saved them so much money last year that it activated a no pay clause in our bonus system. That's yet another form of Flex retardedness, but the spend every dime you can mentality of some on here is ridiculous.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Beech, that is not correct. The bonus stipulation was due to the fact that when our bonus was going to be over 5%, the total bonus payout exceeded the profit margin, therefore triggering the bonus clause. Call and talk to your ACP, I am sure they will support me on this.

As far as the hotel thing, I have made my views known on the belly.

We saved them so much money last year that it activated a no pay clause in our bonus system.

 

[FMR8251]

Gentlemen,

"What I'm saying is that unless you live an ungodly distance from where flight operations terminated, that I can't see a reason why you'd want a hotel room over your house if DFW based."

Are you kidding me! Are you at all familiar with the DFW area during rush hour, forget about distance. Addison to the Fort Worth are can easily be 1.5 hrs, 3 hrs total commute on min rest. Can you seriously not see the problem with that. It's a safety issue, not a bean counting issue.

 

[DirtyBeech]

I could have sworn that one needed to read, speak, and understand the English language in order to get those certificates. FMR apparently found a loophole around that.

Having lived in the DFW metroplex for the better part of a decade I'm quite familiar with rush hour traffic, and the time it takes to get from ADS to my home in the suburbs of Ft. Worth. If you had bothered to read my post instead of finding something to rant about you would have seen that I think the crews should get a gateway hotel if they feel the need it. You would also have noted that the bean counting issues that I have a problem with have to do with people deliberately wasting money on hotel rooms they have no intention of using just to get hotel points. I'm saying that I want us to get hotels if we need them, but not to abuse them.

This is why we'll never have union at Flex. Half the pilot group is easily bought off with "raises" while the other half abuse the system whenever possible, or are semi-cognizant frog droppings who can't read a post in context.

CL300,
I stand corrected, and will not bother to call and have myself taped while talking to an ACP.

 

[FMR8251]

Alright Beech, I re-read your post, my bad, I misunderstood your intent. Calm down and go back to "defending the frontier," all is well on the DFW front.

 

[BoeingBaller]

I live 8 minutes from the airport so I stay at home when we layover in my domicile. But there are many guys that live a looong way from their DECLARED gateway city. These are the people that would be negatively affected if required to stay at home during a layover in their gateway. They don't want the room for the points.....

Let them stay at you're place..

 

[gutshotdraw]

I've thought about renting out the spare room......

Only $100 a night. And the 72 inch JVC big screen is pretty impressive.