Looking at the latest seniority list. Interesting that management is completely ignoring it and putting two new hires off the street into the CL300/350 fleet as FO's. If I was a Phenom or Lear FO, I would be plenty p*ssed off at not having the opportunity to move up into a large cabin A/C. Oh well, no contract, no rules. Dumbest pilot group in existence.
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Dirty Squirrel
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Captold,
I cant speak for Flight Options, but Flexjet has always hired into a specific fleet according to need, training slots, etc. No breaking news here.
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#FactCheck for captold. Let us help you learn how to read contract language and then maybe you can have an #intelligent post on these boards.
Flight Options CBA: All Pilots shall, upon their date of hire, incur a 39-month equipment lock in the aircraft type initially assigned by the Company. The Company may assign a newly hired Pilot to a posted but unfilled First Officer position in any aircraft type.
Netjets CBA: a newly-hired crewmember will be assigned to an available First Officer position.
I read that to mean that Flexjet and Netjets have the #option to put new hires into a specific fleet according to their needs. I'm sure the 1.6% haters will argue that to mean you can't but good luck with that, it is very clear.
GlorifiedCAbbie - As fas as FO's hired in 2001 - why do you think that is? I've met several First Officers who were former Flight Options that are in the Challenger and Legacy fleet. Oh wait - maybe it was because the Union screwed over all those guys (because they had a contract) or was it because the Union was more interested in winning over the hearts and minds here at Flexjet? I still remember the ridiculous sales pitch from the P2P who called me (even though I wasn't eligible to vote). Maybe you missed the communication from the SLI committee. They are working to come up with a seniority list that we can vote on. Sounds like its your chance to make it right. I'm at the bottom no matter what but at least we have a choice.
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Flight Options CBA: All Pilots shall, upon their date of hire, incur a 39-month equipment lock in the aircraft type initially assigned by the Company. The Company may assign a newly hired Pilot to a posted but unfilled First Officer position in any aircraft type.
Netjets CBA: a newly-hired crewmember will be assigned to an available First Officer position.
I read that to mean that Flexjet and Netjets have the #option to put new hires into a specific fleet according to their needs. I'm sure the 1.6% haters will argue that to mean you can't but good luck with that, it is very clear.
GlorifiedCAbbie - As fas as FO's hired in 2001 - why do you think that is? I've met several First Officers who were former Flight Options that are in the Challenger and Legacy fleet. Oh wait - maybe it was because the Union screwed over all those guys (because they had a contract) or was it because the Union was more interested in winning over the hearts and minds here at Flexjet? I still remember the ridiculous sales pitch from the P2P who called me (even though I wasn't eligible to vote). Maybe you missed the communication from the SLI committee. They are working to come up with a seniority list that we can vote on. Sounds like its your chance to make it right. I'm at the bottom no matter what but at least we have a choice.
Next post...please
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Before we had a contract at Flexjet, FOs couldn't transfer to another FO seat unless there was a company need for it, such as a retiring fleet or balancing. The contract, however, did allow for FO to FO moves, which is why you see former Phenom FOs in other fleets. As for your contract quote, it says "...posted but unfilled first officer position..." The company has hired into the legacy and challengers without first posting those positions for other FOs to bid on. That's the way it was done before the contract as well. They could put you into any fleet without offering those seats to more senior pilots first. It keeps the retraining costs down.
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It doesn’t really keep the costs down if it’s a Lear or Phenom FO, because when they upgrade they will go back to the plane they are typed in, and a new hire who lands a Legacy or CL seat will then have to go and get typed in a Lear or Phenom when they upgrade. Same, same.
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Great! Now the company has the chance to fix everything. As far as a vote on an SLI, its the illusion of participating but the result will be the same. When can the Phenom FO's upgrade and when can the Phenom CA's move up and make some money?
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Well there is no point arguing over contract language as there is no contract. All I know for sure is that the policy use to be no FO to FO moves unless there was a company need for it. Any open FO seats were filled by new hires. That’s just the way it was and everyone accepted it. As the options fleet were parked they moved those FOs into Flexjet seats, but didn’t first offer those seats to Flexjet Lear pilots.
I have have no idea what the policy is now.
DirtyBeech. Welcome Back. How was training? So your logic once again is #FLAWED.
1. It is not the "same same"
2. Be logical and try to assess the problem with sound reasoning
3. Maybe stop posting all together
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Haven't done training yet.
Actually, it's worse than "same, same" because that type training will cost more when the Legacy or CL FO comes back to the schoolhouse to be typed in the Phenom or Lear.
The only way it doesn't work out is if the FO's fail to stick around for a decade + waiting on their upgrade. We know that won't happen. It's not your boss' stated policy to run off 80% of the work force if he can or anything.
Because a Koch brothers funded foundation was the money behind the decert effort.
The Koch brothers aren't actually conservatives at all. They're just greedy little bitches who don't like workers feeling like they've actually earned their paychecks.
If you look at their history their really just George Soros in sheeps clothing. Every bit as NWO, totalitarian elite garbage brokers.
It's so entertaining to listen to all these so called conservatives praise the outcome of the union vote. They have no fricken clue what liberal, truly fascist bull**** they've unleashed.
I'm over the vote however for those who think conservative principles carried the day, you don't understand how the elite really operate.
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Heard the guy is having a hard time getting anyone to join his aircraft. That's what happens when you alienate all your pilots and show your colors as a Judas Goat.......
On another note, wake up original Flexjet pilots. You were sold a huge bill of goods and now you work for the company we used to laugh at, Flight Options. You're all sitting upon a house of cards. Take a look around, 95% of your quality guys have bailed for the big boys with no regrets. It took me a long time to figure it out also.
And finally, take a look at your Chairman. And his Instagram account. What a slap in your face to have him jet-setting around the globe on your backs. He's the biggest corporate narcissist I've ever seen and should be ashamed of himself. Name another successful company on this planet whose executives do this. ZERO.
On another note, wake up original Flexjet pilots. You were sold a huge bill of goods and now you work for the company we used to laugh at, Flight Options. You're all sitting upon a house of cards. Take a look around, 95% of your quality guys have bailed for the big boys with no regrets. It took me a long time to figure it out also.
And finally, take a look at your Chairman. And his Instagram account. What a slap in your face to have him jet-setting around the globe on your backs. He's the biggest corporate narcissist I've ever seen and should be ashamed of himself. Name another successful company on this planet whose executives do this. ZERO.
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We lost 8 pilots this month already. If he wants to jet-set around the world, good for him. I prefer to spend more time with my friends and family but to each- his own. We will continue to lose pilots until the compensation issues are fixed. We voted out the Union, so there is no longer an excuse to fix this problem. An 18 year Phenom Captain making 125,000 on an 8/7 schedule just isn't competitive these days. Once these pilots leave, they will not return unless they are really a weak pilot.
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I'm not defending our chairman, but he didn't become wealthy because of Flexjet and he certainly didn't get that way by owning Flight Options. This is one company out of a rather large portfolio the he owns. And, while he is the chairman, he is also the owner. He doesn't answer to a board of directors, so he can do what he wants.
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According to the last company voicemail, pay scales are being assessed and will be finalized in 4 to 6 weeks. I'm guessing new scales would take effect in January with a fresh budget. But, I'm speculating the implementation part.
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LOL! Did you see pigs flying by?
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It looks like Netjets got a new contract.
With signing bonus they each receive $150 per month of service so that a 15 year employee will see a $27000 bonus for accepting an industry leading contract.
Flexjet pilots got $1000 for throwing away their contract and work rules but, did receive a lot of empty promises of future raises.
In September we were told that in 4 to 6 weeks we will find out about our new pay scales at Flex, unsurprisingly that date has come and gone a month ago and not a peek from management about a raise.
With signing bonus they each receive $150 per month of service so that a 15 year employee will see a $27000 bonus for accepting an industry leading contract.
Flexjet pilots got $1000 for throwing away their contract and work rules but, did receive a lot of empty promises of future raises.
In September we were told that in 4 to 6 weeks we will find out about our new pay scales at Flex, unsurprisingly that date has come and gone a month ago and not a peek from management about a raise.
They are readjusting the compensation so all of us will be ahead of Netjets. I'm pretty sure that's the reason...
Btw, Lear pay hasn't been adjusted since 2010. But that's the union's fault! Because from 2011 through 2015 we were unionized...umm...I mean...well, it's the union's fault anyway! But now that there isn't a union standing in the way of raises...?
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