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Necromonger

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May 1st.... Ok... We got this HUGE pay raise. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Let me start with: No Guarantee of a base pay structure. The back handed raise.
We were told that we could work less...OK, that's cool. If you want to work less. But we were also told that if we worked the same number of days we work now, we would see a pay raise equal to that of NJ. (I won't get into the 221 days vs. the 184 days worked issue now, but...)

WTF. Now we can't even do that. NO ONE will work 221 days this year. That equals NO ONE will make an annual income equal to NJ numbers. Period. Now, you get paid for what PBS can build for you.

Here's the equalizer. No more base pay for a bid period. It was 16 days, even if PBS could only schedule you 14 or 15 days during a vacation or training month.
Now, flex can waive you down to 13 days of pay during those months. And we MUST call to beg for more days to work so we can make bills those month. They might let us work more during those months, if it benefits the company. But, you will have to waive the work rules to get more pay.

Yes, our daily rate went up. But, now that we will be getting those rates, We are being forced to forfeit the QOL rules just to get a bigger paycheck.

Guaranteed yearly pay is a thing of the past here. It was 16 days per bid period. We were led to believe that it would be brought down to 15 days guaranteed pay. But now 3-4 times a year, Flex can bring it down to 13 days.

Thanks guys, it just keeps getting better.

Livin' the Dream. I was wondering how management would go about souring the May 1st raise. And the hits just keep on commin'.

It's just great not having a say in policy changes, and getting it straight up the A$$!!!
Come on all you non-union BIT*HES... Tell me how full of SH!T I am.
 
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You need to learn from the FLOPS folks. Every day you do not have a Union you are losing. They will take take take, and what are you going to do about it?
When FLOPS finally brought 1108 in this all stops. Status quo.
Or you can trust that management will do the right thing for you all.:rolleyes:

Good luck. You are going to need it.
 
If you are not happy with your situation, leave. Since you are comparing your pay and days worked with NJ, go work for them. I hear that they are hiring.

Necromonger said:
May 1st.... Ok... We got this HUGE pay raise. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Let me start with: No Guarantee of a base pay structure. The back handed raise.
We were told that we could work less...OK, that's cool. If you want to work less. But we were also told that if we worked the same number of days we work now, we would see a pay raise equal to that of NJ. (I won't get into the 221 days vs. the 184 days worked issue now, but...)

WTF. Now we can't even do that. NO ONE will work 221 days this year. That equals NO ONE will make an annual income equal to NJ numbers. Period. Now, you get paid for what PBS can build for you.

Here's the equalizer. No more base pay for a bid period. It was 16 days, even if PBS could only schedule you 14 or 15 days during a vacation or training month.
Now, flex can waive you down to 13 days of pay during those months. And we MUST call to beg for more days to work so we can make bills those month. They might let us work more during those months, if it benefits the company. But, you will have to waive the work rules to get more pay.

Yes, our daily rate went up. But, now that we will be getting those rates, We are being forced to forfeit the QOL rules just to get a bigger paycheck.

Guaranteed yearly pay is a thing of the past here. It was 16 days per bid period. We were led to believe that it would be brought down to 15 days guaranteed pay. But now 3-4 times a year, Flex can bring it down to 13 days.

Thanks guys, it just keeps getting better.

Livin' the Dream. I was wondering how management would go about souring the May 1st raise. And the hits just keep on commin'.

It's just great not having a say in policy changes, and getting it straight up the A$$!!!
Come on all you non-union BIT*HES... Tell me how full of SH!T I am.
 
Great advise....not.

japhy said:
If you are not happy with your situation, leave. Since you are comparing your pay and days worked with NJ, go work for them. I hear that they are hiring.

Thanks Japh. Yeah, the old "love it or leave it" attitude. Sorry, but I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. I choose to stay and make my situation better. If we succeed, life at flex will be better for all of us.

There are alot of issues here at flex. (You need to read previous posts and do a little catching up) My most recent post was just me venting and ranting. Just try'n to open up some eyes.

As for my comparing my pay and QOL to NJ, Management did that for us. They mailed us charts with our pay rate, purposely showing us what it would take to make the same as NJ. They addressed QOL issues, but recently the other shoe dropped showing us that we have to loose QOL to make more pay. Whatever.

Wake up dude. The NJ TA set the new standard. If you don't compare your pay to theirs, you can stay happy at your commuter job.
 
Fence sitter

I was a fence sitter on the union debate but this vacation/training month cut-in-pay shows some upper management's true colors. This was not presented during the road show so this is just another change after the fact that they think they will save money on. Apparently they need some glasses to correct their shortsideness.
I am a forgiving person and people do make mistakes. Let's hope they see their error so more cards aren't sent in.
 
BombJet45 said:
Let's hope they see their error so more cards aren't sent in.

Take off the blindfold. Send in your card...or nothing changes. Either way, good luck with your "situation."

Nuff said.
 
Here it goes again. japhy, I did quit Flexjet to move to Netjets after 6 yrs. 4 mo. I was a captain for 5 yrs. 5 mo. There were good pilots and good things about Flexjet. I am not here to bash Flex but after reading the contract at Netjets and carefully paying attention to what was coming from Waterview I made a long term decision that I would be better off here. Every day that I'm here I'm more convinced I made the right decision. QOL and working conditions or much better, as is moral. Every single pilot I've met here so far has Netjets and our owners best interest at heart.The thing is we demand to be treated as professionals and have input in areas that improve company performance. One more thing, the rules don't change all the time here. With your love it or leave it attitude, you deserve what's coming your way.
 
Bottom line: If we all had Japhy's attitude, NJA wouldn't be the place to go either. Nor would Fedex. Or UPS. Or SWA. Or.........well, you get the picture.
 

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