Flex what!

[flexO]

Flex food for thought

At Flex you can’t bid on any choice of equipment at initial or after ten years!!!
You may only elect to be bypassed for an upgrade type and that is it!!!
So if you don’t need the money or a Lear type, no matter!!! Even if you want to be an FO to rest of you career!!!
You are placed on an A/C by who you know at the Office!!! And that is the only thing you need!!! Be an exclusive club member!!!

 

[Ben Franklin]

I was penniless when I arrived in Philadelphia at the age of 17.

I got over it.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[netjetwife]

My favorite quote from that famous American---

We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately. Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
Remember the role Franklin played in our country's history. He wasn't talking about using the good ole boy network. Franklin advocated standing together and fighting for your rights. I'm sure he'd advise the Flex pilots to send in their cards and band together in pursuit of fairness.

 

[hammer2]

Flexoooooo, NJA is still hiring!

 

[temcgrew]

I'm sure he'd advise the Flex pilots to send in their cards and band together in pursuit of fairness.

It would seem more appropriate when putting words in some dead persons mouth, to think of this in context. He didn't inspire men to ban together to "unionize" the colonies to get treated better by the motherland. I think his response would be more to the effect of: if you do not like working for a tyrant company, go start your own!!! Isn't this, in fact, what they did? They did form "a more perfect union" but not like wonderfull union type of brotherhood that we are subjected to today. In my opinion, they are the tyrants more often than not.

 

[gunfyter]

Now Now.... Remember it was UNION soldiers that freed the slaves....

I understand Uncle Ben was in favor of freedom....

And did he not say

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately” (Benjamin Franklin).

Standing together.... Thats a Union


Send in the Cards!

 

[Guitar Guy]

UEJ500 - is your comment just a broad-brush statement about unions in general or do you have specific knowledge of 1108? And don't give us the tired old "teamsters are mobsters and only exist to destroy companies" cliche.

The MEC and 1108 membership (yes, the pilots that are the union) have done a lot of good. Even RTS himself has invited our union president to speak to management groups at NJA and RTS has also appeared with our union president to address recurrent ground schools.

Unions can be good or bad. A lot depends on the local leadership and the involvement of the union members themselves. To paint all unions as evil, money-grubbing organizations is not truthful and is an insult to a lot of hard-working, honest people.

 

[gunfyter]

Hang Together, or Hang Separately

Once again NJW hits the mark... Here are the comments of an IT worker in Texas invoking Ben Franklin in the case for unionizing....



http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2005/0,4814,98947,00.html

 

[temcgrew]

My comments were broad brushed,I have no knowladge of 1108, and I'm not anti-union either, but using Ben Franklins words to raise a banner for unions is just wrong. I know the words "stand together or hang together" can be used with the union mentality, but to say that Franklin would support the cause, is speculation. Those men stood up against tyrants who subjected them to "taxation without representation" so they went about to form a "new government" or a "more perfect union". The term Union here being a seperate government not an entity that forces a contract on the "governing body". They did not want "better treatment" or less taxes or more representation, they wanted to be totally seperate.
My point only is that if you wish to follow Franklin, then seperate yourselves from flexjet and form a "more better fractional". This is what Franklin and the others did.
Use other propoganda for unions and do not take out of context the words of great men.

 

[netjetwife]

UEJ500, at the heart of the matter was Franklin's belief that we should stand up for the right to control our own destiny. Whether those principals are applied to an individual case (such as my family's fight for justice), a company, or a country, the compelling need for action is still the same. To use your analogy of pilots leaving the company for another is incorrect. Franklin didn't advocate Americans immigrating to another country; he supported their right to improve their lot in the country of their birth or choice. One can draw a parallel between taxation without representation and having your insurance premiums increased or your crew meal arrangements changed without your input. If you can make statements about unions that are "broad-brushed", UEJ500, then I can do the same regarding those who fight for their rights and leaders who have upheld those principals.

Gunfyter, you never cease to amaze me with your research and quickness in supporting your position. I'm not surprised to see that others use Franklin's quote in the same context. It is very fitting to the situation and eloquently expressed that common sense motto--there's strength in numbers.