Flex Union Drive

[Just Peachy]

Short sighted ED*********

Ya know Necro, that's the way of the world. There is no Santa Claus.

I have four years union time. How 'bout you? On my past job, I was hired into the bottom airplane in the fleet. When they started getting rid of it, I was senior in it, and couldn't upgrade to the higher airplanes because of the union contract. (That would be a displacement that I was "protected" from.) Thus, I spent 4 years in the right seat of the Jetstream.

My kid had to have neurosurgery. To be there, I had to drop my last out-and-back. I was told that I had to drop the entire 3-day-trip because of the union contract.

The 3 guys you talk about: Certainly unfair if what you say is true. In my former union, the grievances were piled up on the desk of mgmt like leaves on a Vermont farm. So what? How do you think a union will change anything?

Many of us have been there before. Tell me of your union experience. (Details). I'm anxiously awaiting.

Well Ed, I am qualified to answer your question, I worked at flex for 5 stinkin' years...yeah left being sr# 17.

Flex will never change cuz mgmt has NO incentive to change it.

I can tell you Im makeing substantially more working less, at NJA at the 5 year mark...... and I credit that to the union. I have passed my peers at Flex who have remained. In pay, time off, hospitalization, insurance deductions, work schedule, crew meals, hotels........ just about ALL areas. Yes, we had to fight like hell to get it but we did what it took and waddya know, we have a decent salery and the company is making money !
jeez..what a concept

Flex has always been the wipping boy of Bombardier. We were told the primary purpose of flex was to sell a NEW aircraft to a customer and Flex was a neccessary evil. When we grumbled about the 7 and 3 schedule, Mgmt went further saying, "if a union comes on the property we will close the company down"

Pretty empty threat to us older pilots but the younger ones bought it........ We couldn't convince the younger majority to unionize because for most of them, it was the best job they ever had.. see this post;

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,24/Itemid,85.html#search=%22shiny%20jet%20syndrome%22

But there was a lot of younger pilots leaving for the airlines in those days, so they couldnt of been too happy. Now, a fair amount of them are wondering about their future.

If you want to have a say in your future at Flex, send those cards in.

Or be someones bitch......

 

[walshsfly]

Morals?

I have never said I have morals. I said I have reasons, they have nothing to do with my morals. My morals could be to stab you in the back then go to your house and take your TV and anything else I want, or they could be to give you a helping hand whenever you need it. You don't know do you?

What helps me sleep at night is not what helps you sleep at night. Most of everything I see on here is someone telling someone else how they should live and what would be best for their family. In all reality we all have to make our own choices and we all have to live with it.

Just one thing to think about: Your company doesn't owe you anything, they are in the business of making money. And if you think otherwise, you need to change your meds.

 

[dime line]

"Real men never abandon morales just because someone else did the same"

Your right, but the very same people that you (and your family) rely on for your paycheck don't play by the same rules as you or I do.

Ex. FLOPS management said...."were not making a profit"
what they do about it?....let the upper management use the planes for the wives to go shopping

"In life, it isn't whether or not you win, but how you play the game that matters."

Not quite agree with that, you can be fair and win too. Look above at how management plays the game. Then look and read NJ's contract, there winning

 

[ArtVandalay]

Ya know Necro, that's the way of the world. There is no Santa Claus.

I have four years union time. How 'bout you? On my past job, I was hired into the bottom airplane in the fleet. When they started getting rid of it, I was senior in it, and couldn't upgrade to the higher airplanes because of the union contract. (That would be a displacement that I was "protected" from.) Thus, I spent 4 years in the right seat of the Jetstream.

My kid had to have neurosurgery. To be there, I had to drop my last out-and-back. I was told that I had to drop the entire 3-day-trip because of the union contract.

The 3 guys you talk about: Certainly unfair if what you say is true. In my former union, the grievances were piled up on the desk of mgmt like leaves on a Vermont farm. So what? How do you think a union will change anything?

Many of us have been there before. Tell me of your union experience. (Details). I'm anxiously awaiting.

And we are supposed to take someone seriously that idolizes Randy Moss?? Are you asking us to bow to you because you have "four years of union time"? This isn't a pissing contest and, for the record, I have "eleven years of union time".

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

Art, so what happened to your union job? With 11 years of seniority in a union job you should be making a good buck-and-a-half there, rather than being at FJ. Why would you leave such a high-paying job?

Peachy: I have the utmost respect for you guys who have been here for a while, which is why I've stayed pretty low-key on the discussion. Among those who I've flown with (senior to your 5 years), they seem to have a good attitude about the Company.

I got news for you -- as long as we're the ones in the front of the plane, rather than in the back, we're already "someone's bitch." I don't know how you can see that any other way.

 

[ksu_aviator]

"Real men never abandon morales just because someone else did the same"

"Your right, but the very same people that you (and your family) rely on for your paycheck don't play by the same rules as you or I do.

Ex. FLOPS management said...."were not making a profit"
what they do about it?....let the upper management use the planes for the wives to go shopping"

Ok, so if everybody else in a Target, grabs something and runs out the door, does that make it ok for you to do it too? No, absolutely not. Just because FLOPS Management is a bunch of d!cks doesn't mean you have to respond in kind.


"In life, it isn't whether or not you win, but how you play the game that matters."

"Not quite agree with that, you can be fair and win too. Look above at how management plays the game. Then look and read NJ's contract, there winning"

I never said you couldn't win while being fair. I actually thought that the implication that you are more likely to win by sticking to good moral values.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I have never said I have morals. I said I have reasons, they have nothing to do with my morals. My morals could be to stab you in the back then go to your house and take your TV and anything else I want, or they could be to give you a helping hand whenever you need it. You don't know do you?

What helps me sleep at night is not what helps you sleep at night. Most of everything I see on here is someone telling someone else how they should live and what would be best for their family. In all reality we all have to make our own choices and we all have to live with it.

Just one thing to think about: Your company doesn't owe you anything, they are in the business of making money. And if you think otherwise, you need to change your meds.

Let me get this straight, you respond to me responding to someone else as if I was responding to you? Then you talk about morals as if morals are flexible? Then you talk about how everybody is just telling everyone else how to live only to finish it off with telling other people how to live?

If you had just pushed letters at random it would have made more sense than what you actually typed!

If you where talking to me, I never said anything about any company owing me anything. I just talked about conducting your business in an ethical manner.

 

[walshsfly]

Let me get this straight, you respond to me responding to someone else as if I was responding to you? Then you talk about morals as if morals are flexible? Then you talk about how everybody is just telling everyone else how to live only to finish it off with telling other people how to live?

If you had just pushed letters at random it would have made more sense than what you actually typed!

If you where talking to me, I never said anything about any company owing me anything. I just talked about conducting your business in an ethical manner.

First I wasn't responding to you.
Second everyone on here tells everyone else how they shoud think.(If you don't belive then go back and read a little)
Third I wasn't telling anyone how to live I was stating a personl thought.
And finally: I was responding to the one that changed my word of "reason" to "morals". And your right morals aren't flexible, but everyones are different.