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Fitch lowers Delta's credit rating to B-

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fitch-lowers-deltas-credit-rating-to-b?siteid=yhoof2

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Fitch Rating lowered its debt rating for Delta Air Lines (DAL 5.74, +0.04, +0.70%) on Thursday to B- from B to reflect erosion in the Atlanta carrier's cash flow. "Despite large 2009 cost savings driven by the sharp decline in jet fuel prices from last summer's peak, Fitch expects Delta to report another year of substantially negative free cash flow in 2009 as the airline struggles to adjust capacity to a diminished level of demand," the ratings agency said. Delta's unrestricted liquidity of more than $5 billion may provide a bigger safety net compared to other legacy carriers, but steady erosion of its cash balance since last fall will make it more difficult to the airline to meet obligations, the firm said.
 

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Thats weird. Delta is obviously trading in the upper 5 dollar range in the article and graph but the end of the article claims the shares were up to $8.90 at last check.

Something doesn't jive or maybe its a typo.
 
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Thats weird. Delta is obviously trading in the upper 5 dollar range in the article and graph but the end of the article claims the shares were up to $8.90 at last check.

Something doesn't jive or maybe its a typo.

The stock price has nothing to do with a company's credit rating! DAL is in big trouble, and some of the analysts are starting to see it! It really doesn't matter what your cash reserves are when you are burning through them way too fast!

-RA and Steenland will screw you up just as badly as United and US Air are screwed! Where are all those "synergies" when you need them? Airline mergers NEVER result in good news for employees or stock holders... The only ones who make out well are the upper managers-just look at their compensation-you would think the stock was on a rocketship to mars based on what he is making!
 

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" Shares of Delta were up 6% at last check to $8.90" is the last sentence in the article. The writer is referring to the stock price, which is obviously inaccurate, not the credit rating.
 

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The stock price has nothing to do with a company's credit rating! DAL is in big trouble, and some of the analysts are starting to see it! It really doesn't matter what your cash reserves are when you are burning through them way too fast!

-RA and Steenland will screw you up just as badly as United and US Air are screwed! Where are all those "synergies" when you need them? Airline mergers NEVER result in good news for employees or stock holders... The only ones who make out well are the upper managers-just look at their compensation-you would think the stock was on a rocketship to mars based on what he is making!

Hater!

Hope you are enjoying that seat on your CRJ because that's where you are going to be for quite some time if this continues. As happy as you are that Fitch lowered our credit rating, look at how much longer you are going to be in that seat.

I know it is really fun to be morbid about our careers and bag other guys that have it better than you, but just know that the worse it gets for Delta and the rest of the majors, the longer you will be sitting in your current seat.

You are right about the upper managers, but I am sure the same thing is going on at your airline. Rest assured. If you have a way to stop it, I'd love to hear it, otherwise try to stick to commentary on your airline because you have no idea of what the future holds for Delta or any other major for that matter.

All I can say is that your butt is going to be parked in that seat for a while until the ecopnomy turns around. Try to make the best of it. Good luck.
 

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The stock price has nothing to do with a company's credit rating! DAL is in big trouble, and some of the analysts are starting to see it! It really doesn't matter what your cash reserves are when you are burning through them way too fast!

-RA and Steenland will screw you up just as badly as United and US Air are screwed! Where are all those "synergies" when you need them? Airline mergers NEVER result in good news for employees or stock holders... The only ones who make out well are the upper managers-just look at their compensation-you would think the stock was on a rocketship to mars based on what he is making!


Synergies work well in the business world when merging company operations or businesses. The airline are a different animal with no workable models to speak of on how to make money. Smart investors stay away from airlines and aviation in general unless you need a tax write-off.
 

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Hater!

Hope you are enjoying that seat on your CRJ because that's where you are going to be for quite some time if this continues. As happy as you are that Fitch lowered our credit rating, look at how much longer you are going to be in that seat.

I know it is really fun to be morbid about our careers and bag other guys that have it better than you, but just know that the worse it gets for Delta and the rest of the majors, the longer you will be sitting in your current seat.

You are right about the upper managers, but I am sure the same thing is going on at your airline. Rest assured. If you have a way to stop it, I'd love to hear it, otherwise try to stick to commentary on your airline because you have no idea of what the future holds for Delta or any other major for that matter.

All I can say is that your butt is going to be parked in that seat for a while until the ecopnomy turns around. Try to make the best of it. Good luck.

In all seriousness-there is a way to stop it... The board needs to oust RA and Steenland. That will be very difficult, since they stacked the board itself with their own cronies! It would realistically take massive stockholder activism.

It is a very unfortunate time for DAL, and for the industry in general. RA and Steenland are making the classic mistake of behaving like the proverbial "800 lb gorilla." These guys are doing mean and nasty things to their employees, the stockholders, and wrecking the company in general..

Other airlines have gone down the "800lb gorilla" path before... How are they doing now? Decent mgmt at DAL would recognize that they have a serious flight ahead.. They need to keep every passenger and every employee happy as much as possible. When ALGT and SWA roll into town, they sure will wish they had.

I am not happy about what is going on-but RA and Steenland are doing no favors by running things in such an adversarial manner. It is only a matter of time before people have more choices in the ATL, and pissing them off now is not going to do DAL any good in the future.

-If you doubt this position, just ask any passenger who has suffered the misfortune of being stuck on a steaming SAAB in ATL this summer-they will back me up!
 

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In all seriousness-there is a way to stop it... The board needs to oust RA and Steenland. That will be very difficult, since they stacked the board itself with their own cronies! It would realistically take massive stockholder activism.
You seem to have a very unhealthy obsession of Steenland and over estimate his part.
It is a very unfortunate time for DAL, and for the industry in general. RA and Steenland are making the classic mistake of behaving like the proverbial "800 lb gorilla." These guys are doing mean and nasty things to their employees, the stockholders, and wrecking the company in general..
What exactly are the mean and nasty things they are doing to their employees, the stockholders, and wrecking the company in general?
Other airlines have gone down the "800lb gorilla" path before... How are they doing now? Decent mgmt at DAL would recognize that they have a serious flight ahead.. They need to keep every passenger and every employee happy as much as possible. When ALGT and SWA roll into town, they sure will wish they had.
Again what are they specifically doing to make them unhappy? Not too worried about ALGT. Swa is a more formidable, but not impossible to deal with competitor.
I am not happy about what is going on-but RA and Steenland are doing no favors by running things in such an adversarial manner. It is only a matter of time before people have more choices in the ATL, and pissing them off now is not going to do DAL any good in the future.
Again give some examples of so called "adversarial manner"
-If you doubt this position, just ask any passenger who has suffered the misfortune of being stuck on a steaming SAAB in ATL this summer-they will back me up!
This is rightous coming from a crj boy. How about asking those same passengers who have suffered the misfortune of having their cities infiltrated with crappy little rjs?
 

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In all seriousness-there is a way to stop it... The board needs to oust RA and Steenland. That will be very difficult, since they stacked the board itself with their own cronies! It would realistically take massive stockholder activism.

It is a very unfortunate time for DAL, and for the industry in general. RA and Steenland are making the classic mistake of behaving like the proverbial "800 lb gorilla." These guys are doing mean and nasty things to their employees, the stockholders, and wrecking the company in general..

Other airlines have gone down the "800lb gorilla" path before... How are they doing now? Decent mgmt at DAL would recognize that they have a serious flight ahead.. They need to keep every passenger and every employee happy as much as possible. When ALGT and SWA roll into town, they sure will wish they had.

I am not happy about what is going on-but RA and Steenland are doing no favors by running things in such an adversarial manner. It is only a matter of time before people have more choices in the ATL, and pissing them off now is not going to do DAL any good in the future.

-If you doubt this position, just ask any passenger who has suffered the misfortune of being stuck on a steaming SAAB in ATL this summer-they will back me up!

When ALGT and SWA roll into town???? they sure will wish they had?

That actually made me laugh.
 

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The stock price has nothing to do with a company's credit rating! DAL is in big trouble, and some of the analysts are starting to see it! It really doesn't matter what your cash reserves are when you are burning through them way too fast!

-RA and Steenland will screw you up just as badly as United and US Air are screwed! Where are all those "synergies" when you need them? Airline mergers NEVER result in good news for employees or stock holders... The only ones who make out well are the upper managers-just look at their compensation-you would think the stock was on a rocketship to mars based on what he is making!


I sold your mom last night for about the price of 1 share of DL stock. Does that make her credit rating a B-? She also burns through cash reserves really fast!:laugh:
 

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Current airline ratings per Fitch: www.fitchratings.com


Southwest Airlines - BBB+
Delta Airlines - BBB-
Continental Airlines - BBB-
United Airlines - CCC
American Airlines - CCC
US Airways - CCC
 

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In all seriousness-there is a way to stop it... The board needs to oust RA and Steenland. That will be very difficult, since they stacked the board itself with their own cronies! It would realistically take massive stockholder activism.

It is a very unfortunate time for DAL, and for the industry in general. RA and Steenland are making the classic mistake of behaving like the proverbial "800 lb gorilla." These guys are doing mean and nasty things to their employees, the stockholders, and wrecking the company in general..

Other airlines have gone down the "800lb gorilla" path before... How are they doing now? Decent mgmt at DAL would recognize that they have a serious flight ahead.. They need to keep every passenger and every employee happy as much as possible. When ALGT and SWA roll into town, they sure will wish they had.

I am not happy about what is going on-but RA and Steenland are doing no favors by running things in such an adversarial manner. It is only a matter of time before people have more choices in the ATL, and pissing them off now is not going to do DAL any good in the future.

-If you doubt this position, just ask any passenger who has suffered the misfortune of being stuck on a steaming SAAB in ATL this summer-they will back me up!
Actually, Delta has been very nice to their employees. The Company has done the right things to maintain morale in a very tough business environment.

The board showed Whitehurst and anyone who supported the "go it alone" strategy the door. Thus far I believe the consensus on Anderson is overwhelmingly positive. That's a stark contrast to the feelings about Tilton, Doug Parker, Gerard Arpey and even Larry Kellner.

I liked Whitehurst. He said what I wanted to hear about growth and remaining a stand alone airline. However, it would be tough to pay for those airplanes now and Northwest's cash is welcome.

CRJ567 - Candidly, if you think you are getting screwed, not paid enough and not respected, let me give you the humble advice that you need to find a new gig, either that, or see the green grass underneath your own two feet. Sure Delta made some of you guys mad with changes to pass benefits and other cuts to anciliary forms of compensation and QOL. Speaking from experience (as former semi-disgruntled regional airline pilot who pulled down nearly six figures while flying mid week back to back two days with nice overnights) it stinks to get something taken away from you. Still, consider what you got going compared to the silver haired FO flying the United jet across the ramp, or the guy commuting to a Douglas jet job with a couple of kids at home. This industry is a lottery... it is a terrible career. But, if you like flying and the lifestyle, there is no better home away from home. Find what you like and think "how lucky am I not to be working as a roofer this summer."
 
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Actually, Delta has been very nice to their employees. The Company has done the right things to maintain morale in a very tough business environment.

The board showed Whitehurst and anyone who supported the "go it alone" strategy the door. Thus far I believe the consensus on Anderson is overwhelmingly positive. That's a stark contrast to the feelings about Tilton, Doug Parker, Gerard Arpey and even Larry Kellner.

I liked Whitehurst. He said what I wanted to hear about growth and remaining a stand alone airline. However, it would be tough to pay for those airplanes now and Northwest's cash is welcome.

Fins:
Don't try to explain things with reason and rational to crj567.
He's still looking for that Delta scapegoat "gang raped" his mom resulting in his birth!
 

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Delta is going to be furloughing by the end of the year. That will probably coincide with their latest Ch11 filing. How much will DALPA give back this time? I bet the General will be making Mesa Capt money.
 

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Delta is going to be furloughing by the end of the year. That will probably coincide with their latest Ch11 filing. How much will DALPA give back this time? I bet the General will be making Mesa Capt money.

If you cannot post with intelligence then don't post at all....please!
 

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What isn't intelligent about my post? Delta is all sorts of screwed up. You guys know that with the capacity cuts coming up and your bad bet on international travel that there will be some guys on the street soon. We all know that when they come asking for money, DALPA will roll over and give away the store. They know you guys. It doesn't take a crystal ball there Contrail.

Maybe they'll even go back to the tried and ture play book and restart Song!
 
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What isn't intelligent about my post? Delta is all sorts of screwed up. You guys know that with the capacity cuts coming up and your bad bet on international travel that there will be some guys on the street soon. We all know that when they come asking for money, DALPA will roll over and give away the store. They know you guys. It doesn't take a crystal ball there Contrail.

Maybe they'll even go back to the tried and ture play book and restart Song!

Jeez crj567, we all know you like to play with yourself, but do you talk with yourself too? You really need help dude.
Don't you get tired of all this nonsense?
It doesn't matter whether or not Delta will furlough, it's still better pay than a coffee server/fax sender for some officer at an obscure air force base in the middle of nowhere. Now quick, sign back in as crj567 and say something even more stupid!
 

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Hey Scope, do you have a flow back agreement with one of your RJ operators for this furlough?
 

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Hey Scope, do you have a flow back agreement with one of your RJ operators for this furlough?

Hey tanker/crj567, did you put the colonel to bed for the night?
Better be careful, he catches you on his computer after lights out, and you'll be demoted to toilet scrubber. But at least you'll feel closer to home!
 
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