First XE (ASA) CR7 heading to GoJets.

[SPDBRD747400]

Well I was hoping this wouldn't happen after all but looks like the first CR7 is heading to STL today for GoJets. Sad day

 

[flyboyzii]

Not to worry. Hulas amazing maintenance practices will turn it into a huge pile of crap in no time

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well I was hoping this wouldn't happen after all but looks like the first CR7 is heading to STL today for GoJets. Sad day

....as sad as the day it was transferred to us from Comair? Is there any difference?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

....as sad as the day it was transferred to us from Comair? Is there any difference?

Times were different when we got them, DL transferred them to us. Now DL wanted us to fly them at a loss. We said NO, I still think it's sad that these "alter ego" airlines are the ones to get these airplanes.

 

[amcnd]

First SKW bird is on its way today also..... (old Comair bird also).

 

[wanagethi]

And the bar goes lower!

 

[CX880]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ0L4YRBTes&feature=fvst

 

[flyboyike]

Times were different when we got them, DL transferred them to us. Now DL wanted us to fly them at a loss. We said NO, I still think it's sad that these "alter ego" airlines are the ones to get these airplanes.

I'm sorry, just how is that different from when those same airplanes went from Comair to ASA? Or is it that it benefited you and thus was okay?

 

[centralpilot]

Times were different when we got them, DL transferred them to us. Now DL wanted us to fly them at a loss. We said NO, I still think it's sad that these "alter ego" airlines are the ones to get these airplanes.

The way Brad Rich tells it SKYW was already losing money in that contract before it was put up for rebid. I can't blame them for raising their bid to one that would be profitable, but obviously G7 thinks they can do it at the lower rate. Also, ExpressJet's (ASA) code is now EV, not XE.

 

[Plainsman]

You guys don't need to get in a pissing match. It's just management tactics. It's Delta for Pete's sake. These guys would kill your first born for some dough. Look around weak airlines are taking a dive. We will be ok.

 

[amcnd]

In the end, we are all hurting each other.. Delta posts a huge profit. While we fight over pennys... This is not a good set up.....

 

[Flyer1015]

In the end, we are all hurting each other.. Delta posts a huge profit. While we fight over pennys... This is not a good set up.....

Just how Delta likes it. Anyone planning on making a career at a Delta Connection carrier needs to get their head examined. Unless you're over 50.

 

[Varmint]

Just how Delta likes it. Anyone planning on making a career at a Delta Connection carrier needs to get their head examined. Unless you're over 50.

Agree....I think the writing is on the wall and regional feed companies will be MUCH smaller in the future. Things are better outside of that realm.....although I never believed it when I was in the thick of it for over a decade. It took fuel prices vs RJ economics, lots of analyzing and soul searching, and merger news to make me realize it was time to get out.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Times were different when we got them, DL transferred them to us. Now DL wanted us to fly them at a loss. We said NO, I still think it's sad that these "alter ego" airlines are the ones to get these airplanes.

No they weren't, but rationalize away.

 

[Jetjockey]

It's all a big shell game. Follow the money, it all leads one place. Different clowns through out the years, same circus.

 

[777forever]

I think Hulas underbid the contract at a loss to get in the Delta CRJ system. Obviously there is no more room scope wise for more planes so he must be after the rest of Comair's 700/900s. Or he's trying to make a good impression for future flying when a lot of the 50 seat flying expires in 2015/2016. maybe he's looking for a place to put his 50 MRJs "order"

But I don't see the lowering the bar/regional flying takeover that many are predicting GoJet to do. They simply can't compete with a company as big as Skywest Inc, or even Republic, maybe unless the mainline partner buys the planes. They are a small, cheaply run private company. Nobody knows what the heck their finances are like. Skywest Inc, with its excellent credit rating, can get much better deals on new planes that would trump whatever lower paid labor/seniority advantage Trans States Holding has.

 

[Freebrd]

Golly gee 777 you finally make a competent post, good for ya

 

[DHPFLYN]

....as sad as the day it was transferred to us from Comair? Is there any difference?

You must have priced yourself out with that industry leading contract you have. You should probably offer a pay cut so you can have a chance to get that flying back.

 

[lookin4better]

Regional flying is just contract work. No offense meant at all, but that is a fact.

The only "person" who owns the flying is the company who paints their colors on the aircraft.

It was never "your" flying in the first place..... It was always the mainline carriers flying to do with as they choose.

What's wrong is that you take it personally and think it was "yours" in the first place and someone else is "taking" it from you. It never was... just relAX

 

[AntiJedi]

It was never "your" flying in the first place..... It was always the mainline carriers flying to do with as they choose.

What's wrong is that you take it personally and think it was "yours" in the first place and someone else is "taking" it from you. It never was... just relAX

True for the most part now, but several regional carriers still fly remnants of their old route system. The majors never "owned" them; they just provided oversight.

The only regional carrier that was around before 1985 that has lost ALL of their original routes is Air Wisconsin.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I'm sorry, just how is that different from when those same airplanes went from Comair to ASA? Or is it that it benefited you and thus was okay?

The difference is that when the planes were transferred to ASA, ASA's contract was actually better than Comair's. These planes are being transferred to a company with much lower compensation. it's like factories outsourcing to china.

 

[Baronman]

Regional flying is just contract work. No offense meant at all, but that is a fact.

The only "person" who owns the flying is the company who paints their colors on the aircraft.

It was never "your" flying in the first place..... It was always the mainline carriers flying to do with as they choose.

What's wrong is that you take it personally and think it was "yours" in the first place and someone else is "taking" it from you. It never was... just relAX

Flying belongs to the shareholders and management. From there they decide who the flying gets assigned to. Sometimes it's their in-house plots, sometimes they contract out to another carrier (regional), or even a code-share.

The rare case nowadays is the airline whose management contractually agrees with their in-house pilots that all flying be done by them (SWA).

Not saying I like the system, but this is what it is in a nutshell.

 

[E120ASA]

Hey, had to dead head on them out of KELM (354CA). Waited 40 minutes to board with re-con on, ( guess no limitations) The FA'S were making it up and studying as it went. (training I guess) The Capt made a short field landing it seems and the lady behind me told the Fa that her and her kid were feeling sick after that landing and for eating the head rest from the seat in front of them, and that had never happened to them before and that she needed to stay put for a while. Oh well completion for Delta.

 

[dojetdriver]

Anyone planning on making a career at a Delta Connection carrier needs to get their head examined. Unless you're over 50.

It's more like ANY pilot at ANY regional needs to get their head examined. All this crap going on is NOTHING new to the regional spectrum.

 

[higney85]

Agree....I think the writing is on the wall and regional feed companies will be MUCH smaller in the future. Things are better outside of that realm.....although I never believed it when I was in the thick of it for over a decade. It took fuel prices vs RJ economics, lots of analyzing and soul searching, and merger news to make me realize it was time to get out.

Maybe smaller is airframes, but my fear is further scope deterioration, allowing the "majors" to keep flying the int'l and heavy routes and RJ's in the 100 seat range flying everything else. It's cheap for the majors, and they will try it. I hope it's not reality, but with scope on the bargaining table for everyone (Co-united/DL/Usair) the possibility exists. That would solve the major's "retirement" issues and keep all the RJ (is regional really halfway across the USA?) at the lower tier cost structure. The writing is on the wall. I just hope enough people can write "call here for a good pilot" in time before the major's buy off the current workforce at the expense of the RJ workforce.

 

[Nevets]

Also, ExpressJet's (ASA) code is now EV, not XE.

Actually, for now, the CRJ side is EV and the ERJ side is XE.

 

[flyboyike]

The difference is that when the planes were transferred to ASA, ASA's contract was actually better than Comair's. These planes are being transferred to a company with much lower compensation. it's like factories outsourcing to china.

Ooooh, I get it. So, if I was furloughed when those planes left Comair and went to ASA, I should have been happy about that, because at least those jobs "didn't go to China".

 

[CRJ puppy]

The difference is that when the planes were transferred to ASA, ASA's contract was actually better than Comair's. These planes are being transferred to a company with much lower compensation. it's like factories outsourcing to china.

Perhaps that's because Comair's contract had just been raped and pillaged in the bankruptcy proceedings that they were dragged into by Delta?!

No. There was nothing "better" about those planes being transferred from Comair to ASA and Skywest than there is about them being transferred to GoJets.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is living on a tropical island with a Latino in a white suit and a midget running around screaming "dee plane! dee plane!"

 

[centralpilot]

Actually, for now, the CRJ side is EV and the ERJ side is XE.

I assumed the IATA code changed with the call sign and ICAO code. I guess the ERJ code change is delayed until new ID cards are issued to avoid CASS problems. In any case the OP was referring to the CRJ side.

 

[Nevets]

I assumed the IATA code changed with the call sign and ICAO code. I guess the ERJ code change is delayed until new ID cards are issued to avoid CASS problems. In any case the OP was referring to the CRJ side.

Yeah, I believe it's just for CASS purposes.