First Mesaba then Pinnacle

[DetoXJ]

We are currently the lowest cost RJ provider in the country. (Yes, even cheaper than Mesa) Even with a new pilot CBA, the rest of our costs are so far below the rest of the industry that I think it's possible for us to bid for other flying successfully. We'll just have to wait and see.

Perhaps this statement is true when you only take into account crew payrates and crew W-2 earnings. Now lets factor in MULTIPLE lost hulls, horsecrap performance, clueless pilots, wasted de-ice fluid, sky high insurance premiums, ect. ect. The result is a VERY costly RJ privider for NWA.

 

[PCL_128]

Perhaps this statement is true when you only take into account crew payrates and crew W-2 earnings. Now lets factor in MULTIPLE lost hulls, horsecrap performance, clueless pilots, wasted de-ice fluid, sky high insurance premiums, ect. ect. The result is a VERY costly RJ privider for NWA.

Wow, you really are ignorant. We've lost just one hull, thank you very much. If memory serves, that's the same number that Mesaba has lost in the last few years. Something about a couple of idiot mechanics that didn't understand that brakes are hydraulic on an Avro. Must be some top-notch maintenance you've got over there.

As for your other moronic ramblings, they have no basis in reality. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[FN FAL]

Perhaps this statement is true when you only take into account crew payrates and crew W-2 earnings. Now lets factor in MULTIPLE lost hulls, horsecrap performance, clueless pilots, wasted de-ice fluid, sky high insurance premiums, ect. ect. The result is a VERY costly RJ privider for NWA.

You forgot about hot fueling...

 

[Quack]

"We are currently the lowest cost RJ provider in the country. (Yes, even cheaper than Mesa) Even with a new pilot CBA, the rest of our costs are so far below the rest of the industry that I think it's possible for us to bid for other flying successfully. We'll just have to wait and see."

You have to be kidding me...why are so proud of the fact that you are the lowest cost RJ provider in the industry. Another victim to SJS!

 

[PCL_128]

"We are currently the lowest cost RJ provider in the country. (Yes, even cheaper than Mesa) Even with a new pilot CBA, the rest of our costs are so far below the rest of the industry that I think it's possible for us to bid for other flying successfully. We'll just have to wait and see."

You have to be kidding me...why are so proud of the fact that you are the lowest cost RJ provider in the industry. Another victim to SJS!

Not proud, just stating a fact. Again, when talking about low cost I'm not just referring to the pilot costs. I'm referring to the entire operation. Rampers, SOC, corporate, everything. As for SJS, I think not. I'll fly a Cessna 172 if you'll pay me $100k for it. I could care less whether my plane is a jet or not, or how shiny it is.

 

[mike51135]

Perhaps this statement is true when you only take into account crew payrates and crew W-2 earnings. Now lets factor in MULTIPLE lost hulls, horsecrap performance, clueless pilots, wasted de-ice fluid, sky high insurance premiums, ect. ect. The result is a VERY costly RJ privider for NWA.

Well, at least we're not a bunch of drunks...There's nothing I hate more than that liquor-breath and booze smell coming from the cockpit when boarding a Mesaba aircraft. I feel like I'm inside a bar instead of an airplane.
Also...I know about the hull loss with 3701, I know of no other CRJ losses. Please tell us about the other hull losses. Thanks.

 

[Dodge]

I guess that Jetstream that the pilots flew into the ground with passengers onboard isn't considered a hull loss.

Is that airplane that crashed in MKE up and flying?

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Will you girls quit your bickering? For crying out loud. Go pre-flight and shut up.

Sincerely,

MM

 

[PCL_128]

I guess that Jetstream that the pilots flew into the ground with passengers onboard isn't considered a hull loss.

Is that airplane that crashed in MKE up and flying?

Jetstream? Good grief man, how far back are you gonna go to dig up dirt on Pinnacle? Could we at least stick with dealing in the current century please? I'm sure we could find plenty of dirt on Mesaba if we looked back long enough too.

The MKE plane is back flying. It has been for quite some time now.

 

[mike51135]

Is that airplane that crashed in MKE up and flying?

Yeah, they fixed it, just like when Mesaba fixed that F-27 back in 1990 when the captain went 100 FEET off the side of the runway into snow and ruined the landing gear. I think the NTSB said something about the "pilot-in-command's failure to maintain directional control of the aircraft", or something like that.

Was that Mesaba CRASH considered a HULL LOSS? Maybe the captain was drunk after a night of throwing pool chairs in Brainerd.

 

[xjavro85]

Yeah, they fixed it, just like when Mesaba fixed that F-27 back in 1990 when the captain went 100 FEET off the side of the runway into snow and ruined the landing gear. I think the NTSB said something about the "pilot-in-command's failure to maintain directional control of the aircraft", or something like that.

Was that Mesaba CRASH considered a HULL LOSS? Maybe the captain was drunk after a night of throwing pool chairs in Brainerd.

Wow, settle down man. Don't blame mesaba that 9E has destroyed at least one of every fleet type they have operated.

 

[Dodge]

Jetstream? Good grief man, how far back are you gonna go to dig up dirt on Pinnacle? Could we at least stick with dealing in the current century please? I'm sure we could find plenty of dirt on Mesaba if we looked back long enough too.

mike51135 wanted to know about other hull losses. I simply stated a fact. Yes, Mesaba pilots have done some off roading over the years and they will continue to do so. However, Mesaba has never destroyed (other than MX) a plane and I don't think you can dig back far enough to find dead passengers.

Kudos to the wrenches on getting the MKE plane up and running.

 

[redflyer65]

Pinnacle, as bad as it is, has not cancelled near the flights that other regionals have. One thing that you can always point to is the fee for departure setup. Those in the SOC will do whatever is possible to NOT cancel a flight. Sometime, as said previously, its out of their control.

It always bugged the crap out of me to be trying to ride on other regionals when they would have eight flights to a destination and they would cancel the flight to XYZ just because they didn't have the load and they would throw them on the next flight. It just doesn't happen that way here. It may be late, or even go empty, but we have gotten paid for every seat flown, whether someone was in it or not. Now the rules are changing, so who knows how things will be done in the future.

 

[kmox29]

Maybe the captain was drunk after a night of throwing pool chairs in Brainerd.

That would explain it, because nothing wears out your taxi steering arm like a night of throwing pools chairs! FYI, part of our interview process consists of a pool chair toss.

*sigh*

Don't you guys get tired of the whole "My Dad can beat up your Dad"; Pinnacle vs. Mesaba thing? We're pilots for crying out loud! We can b!tch about LOTS of other stuff too.

 

[Monster Buck]

Don't you guys get tired of the whole "My Dad can beat up your Dad"; Pinnacle vs. Mesaba thing? We're pilots for crying out loud! We can b!tch about LOTS of other stuff too.

Let them go man! It's fun to watch. Just grab a six of Coors, some chips... Cheap entertainment, like Maury. My pa can kick your pa's azz... My sister.... I mean... my mom can whooop your mama's...

 

[mike51135]

Don't you guys get tired of the whole "My Dad can beat up your Dad"; Pinnacle vs. Mesaba thing?

Yeah, it's all just clean fun.

I think everyone realizes that all airlines have their fair share of idiot pilots...It just gets old taking the blame because of Flt. 3701 and MKE. I've flown with almost 100 different captains and have yet to find one single captain that was anywhere near the level of stupidity of those two clowns on 3701, yet the other 99% of pilots at Pinnacle who are professional in every sense of the word, keep taking it up the asss from other regional pilots who think their airline is perfect.

Sorry guys at Mesaba, you guys run a decent airline, but there ARE pilots at Mesaba who are JUST AS BAD as the clowns on 3701. It may be only .01% of your pilots, but they exist in your airline just as they do at Pinnacle.

 

[blackbox]

Sorry guys at Mesaba, you guys run a decent airline, but there ARE pilots at Mesaba who are JUST AS BAD as the clowns on 3701. It may be only .01% of your pilots, but they exist in your airline just as they do at Pinnacle.

Mesaba hires gulfstreamers too???!!