Fired From Virgin America

[twepilot]

any t'dub pilots care to comment on that last post of brilliance?

rv

 

[Kharma Police]

any t'dub pilots care to comment on that last post of brilliance?

rv

Why don't you give it a crack

 

[AA717driver]

APA won't come back to ALPA because they don't see a benefit.

Other than a literal handful of pro-ALPA AA pilots, there is no desire on the part of the AA pilot group to join ALPA.

APA has direct relations with the other OneWorld carrier unions. Not a small number of pilots. But, if we ever see the need to communicate with Ethiopian Airways' pilot group, we have your number.

Representation on Capitol Hill? We'll take our chances. TC

P.S.--Better tell your boyz in Herndon not to destroy anymore evidence (electronic or otherwise). CHA-CHING!

 

[PCL_128]

P.S.--Better tell your boyz in Herndon not to destroy anymore evidence (electronic or otherwise). CHA-CHING!

You just see what happened to the RJDC? Complete and utter failure. After the settlement with ALPA for partial legal fees, they still ended up paying over $1 million in out of pocket legal expenses. The TWA lawsuit will end up the same way. Just a matter of time, and a bunch of pilots will end up with nothing to show for it except a drain on their pocket book to cover legal fees.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Which ALPA airline do you fly for? Do you do alot of flying into China or the Middle East?

Does it matter who I fly for or don't fly for? It is not about me. It is about the global economy and how the captitalist and gov'ts are looking at all examples.

The Ryan Air biz model in Europe is being watched. Other airlines are taking note of Ryan...not SWA. The poor working conditions in the US are nothing compared to Ryan.

If we don't concern oursleves with other pilots then as they go down we will be pulled with them.... no.. better to help them up... so we don't go down..

You understand that other countries have different laws than the USA and if you break them the State Department, ALPA, IFALPA, NASA or anyone else might not be able to help you.

Yeah.. that is my point... however, IFALPA has experience... including helping the EMB pilots get out of Brazil.... what did the APA do? See below...

Most pilot contracts have a provision from the company regarding this kind of situation but I'm glad you have a number to call.

Can you provide a reference?

APA won't come back to ALPA because they don't see a benefit.

Agreed...

Other than a literal handful of pro-ALPA AA pilots, there is no desire on the part of the AA pilot group to join ALPA.

Agreed...

APA has direct relations with the other OneWorld carrier unions. Not a small number of pilots. But, if we ever see the need to communicate with Ethiopian Airways' pilot group, we have your number.

I don't think One World business alliances is what we are talking about...

Representation on Capitol Hill? We'll take our chances. TC

You already are...

P.S.--Better tell your boyz in Herndon not to destroy anymore evidence (electronic or otherwise). CHA-CHING!

Ouch... that hurts me when you say that!

ALPA Reacts to Release of Pilots from Brazil
In reaction to the release by Brazilian authorities of two pilots who had been detained since they were involved in an aviation accident on September 29, Capt. Paul Rice, ALPA's vice-president–administration/secretary, released the following statement:

“Criminalizing action by pilots involved in aviation accidents is a serious concern to all ALPA members, other professional pilots, and the flying public. The threat of criminal prosecution of pilots undermines a healthy safety culture. It interferes with the effective and efficient investigation of aircraft accidents, but more importantly, it inhibits the collection of information needed to prevent the reoccurrence of a similar accident. Pilots need to be free to ensure the safe completion of their flight, and should not be distracted by the threat of a criminal investigation or imprisonment for doing their job.​

“ALPA will be closely watching this case as it unfolds, knowing that it will hold important ramifications for the future. We are pleased that the two pilots are returning home, and we will continue to work with our own government and those of other nations to ensure that future incidents like this are handled in accordance with International Civil Aviation Organization principles.”​

The ALPA statement states... "work with...."

Here is the APA's statment...

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION CALLS ON BRAZIL TO RELEASE PILOTS
DETAINED AFTER GOL AIRLINES FLIGHT 1907 ACCIDENT
‘Accident investigation should not be a criminal proceeding’​

Fort Worth, Texas (Nov. 21, 2006)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA), collective
bargaining agent for the 13,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), has issued a
statement calling for the release of the two pilots of an ExcelAire Embraer Legacy 600 that was
involved in an apparent mid-air collision with a Gol Airlines Boeing 737 on Sept. 29 over Brazil.
The two pilots, who are U.S. citizens, were required by Brazilian authorities to surrender their
passports and have been detained since the accident.
APA previously issued a statement on Oct. 11 emphasizing the importance of a “full, fair
and timely investigation” into the cause of the accident. The Gol Airlines Boeing 737 went down
with the loss of all 154 aboard, while the damaged ExcelAire jet landed safely at a remote
military airfield.
“The Allied Pilots Association reiterates its call for a full, fair and timely accident
investigation and respectfully requests that the Brazilian government permit Captain Joseph
Lepore and First Officer Jan Paladino to return to the United States. We further call upon
Brazilian authorities to conduct this accident investigation according to widely accepted
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Annex 13 guidelines, rather than as a criminal
proceeding. It has long been understood that criminalizing the accident investigation process has
a serious chilling effect on its effectiveness, since parties to an accident are likely to be less
forthcoming with potentially vital information.
“APA is also asking the U.S. government to express to Brazilian authorities the need to
permit the two pilots to return to their homes, as well as the importance of conducting the
accident investigation in accordance with ICAO Annex 13.
“In closing, we will continue to keep everyone affected by this tragic accident in our​

thoughts and prayers.”

The APA can only "call upon" and "is also asking" because they have no long term standing working relationship with gov't or ICAO...

 

[thor2j]

I take it you are an ALPA member....

What is ALPA doing that is misrepsresenting its pilots on CapHill....?

Why does the APA have more respect from its members?

What do you mean by ALPA is all over the place.

Let's start with the most obvious, age 65.

 

[superatr]

APA won't come back to ALPA because they don't see a benefit.

It's actually simpler that that. Many APA pilots see a benefit to joining ALPA, however they enjoy paying 1% dues instead of 1.95%. Nevermind that they pay 1.5% whenever they are in Section 6.

Well, you get what you pay for.