Finally!!!!

[Cathay747400]

My hats off to the flight attendants who are standing up not only for themselves but for all of you. ALPO would never have the balls to do this. Duane Worthless and his cast of idiots have sold everyone down the river, what a big surprise. The tought girls/guys in the back whom everyone looks down upon are gonna send the message. About freagin time. How come it's always the F/A's who say enough is enough?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Because at their payscales, they have nothing left to losePHXFLYR

 

[Huck]

ALPO would never have the balls to do this.

Eighty years of history versus such pithy erudition. Gee... how to decide?

 

[AA717driver]

Huck--I hate to jump in on this but you have no clue. Your pay hasn't been slashed, your retirement isn't gone, you aren't laid off because your union of 20 years turned its back on you. You don't have a dog in this fight.

You guessed right. Because you work for a well-run company in a thriving sector of the aviation business, you would be ok regardless of your union affiliation. Thousands of your "ALPA brothers" didn't guess right and aren't thriving. I guess we'll just have another helping of cake... TC

P.S.--Thanks for doing your part to prop up Woerthless' pay rate.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Phxflyer hits the nail on the head.
When you gots nothin' to lose, you get dangerous.

 

[Neubyfly]

ALPA sucks!

 

[michael707767]

Phxflyer hits the nail on the head.
When you gots nothin' to lose, you get dangerous.

he is right. And it fascinates me that management at USAirways and UAL does not get it. They have almost nothing to loose and are willing to take the company down to protect what they have left.

 

[AAflyer]

Phxflyer hits the nail on the head.
When you gots nothin' to lose, you get dangerous.

Nothing to loose, silly boy! The top half of our FA group makes more than the Eagle FOs make. Infact FAs with 15+ years on average make what new RJ captains make yearly. So what is this crap that they have nothing to loose?

Ah yes, pilots!!! Guardians of the industry!! When management screws up we rush in to give pay cuts and concessions. Those silly FAs, why don't they do that. Take a look at what the Usairways pilots now have, they gave, then gave again, how about one last time.

Maybe the FAs will end up saving us from ourselves. If they don't I can't imagine what we will give next.

Once again FAs have balls
Pilots -spinless

AA

 

[lowecur]

Nothing to loose, silly boy! The top half of our FA group makes more than the Eagle FOs make. Infact FAs with 15+ years on average make what new RJ captains make yearly. So what is this crap that they have nothing to loose?

From what I understand, the strikes if OK'd will be CHAOS. In other words, not shutting down the whole system, but picking and choosing certain flights. Since this will only be OK'd if the contracts are abrogated, it would seem this would give the airline the authority to fire those workers that did not show up for a flight. At that point CHAOS may turn into a full fledged strike.

 

[Huck]

Huck--I hate to jump in on this but you have no clue.

You guys will have to forgive me for a little personal history, but:

- My father was a member of ALPA Local 1 for 31 years. I grew up hanging around the picket lines at MSP.

- My uncle has been a member for 20 years, was fired for going out on strike before getting checked out at UAL, and ALPA got his job back with original date of hire. Yes, he's a 570 and is the most hardcore ALPA guy you'd ever fly with.

- I've been an ALPA member at three different companies for a total of 10 years. At one of them I helped (a little) in bringing ALPA on the property.

- I was a Safety Chairman for an ALPA MEC once, saw members die in a crash and the manufacturer blame them, and saw ALPA volunteers give of their free time for YEARS to clear (successfully) their names. It cost two of them their marriages, they spent so much time on it.

- You may have all the legitimate grief in the world with the current administration. You're right, I don't have a dog in the hunt. But if we lose our commitment to a national organization then the profession is doomed.

- Woerth is Woerth, but talk about ALPA and you're talking about all of us. It's what's on the card in my wallet, and that means I have a stake in any discussion or slam session involving it.

- ALPA sucks? Well you swallow, pal.

 

[Mach 80]

F/A and mechanic workgroups have always appeared to be tougher and more willing to take things to the wall than the pilots. The reason is that those workgroups have less to lose if the company goes out of business or if they get replaced or fired. The F/As can go back into teaching, nursing, waiters, or male strip dancing at a gay bar and get close to their old pay levels in fairly short time. The mechanics can go to a contract maintenence outfit or new car dealership and end up doing pretty well relative where they came from. It won't be as much as what they left, but they can get RELATIVELY much closer to where they were than pilots can. The pilots have a much harder time hitting the streets and finding anything outside of the piloting profession that pays more than $30,000/year or 25% of what they used to earn (assuming we are talking "mainline" where it took a pilot many years to get to where they are) or if they get back into flying have to start out again at very low rates with a very slow climb back to relative to what they left. For this reason it's a lot easier for the F/A's and mechanics to play a tougher game of poker -- less to lose. If the F/As earned what the pilots did and had a career situation like the pilots, they'd be singing a different tune.

 

[House_X]

You guys will have to forgive me for a little personal history, but:

- My father was a member of ALPA Local 1 for 31 years. I grew up hanging around the picket lines at MSP.

- My uncle has been a member for 20 years, was fired for going out on strike before getting checked out at UAL, and ALPA got his job back with original date of hire. Yes, he's a 570 and is the most hardcore ALPA guy you'd ever fly with.

- I've been an ALPA member at three different companies for a total of 10 years. At one of them I helped (a little) in bringing ALPA on the property.

- I was a Safety Chairman for an ALPA MEC once, saw members die in a crash and the manufacturer blame them, and saw ALPA volunteers give of their free time for YEARS to clear (successfully) their names. It cost two of them their marriages, they spent so much time on it.

- You may have all the legitimate grief in the world with the current administration. You're right, I don't have a dog in the hunt. But if we lose our commitment to a national organization then the profession is doomed.

- Woerth is Woerth, but talk about ALPA and you're talking about all of us. It's what's on the card in my wallet, and that means I have a stake in any discussion or slam session involving it.

- ALPA sucks? Well you swallow, pal.

I agree.

Those same people who complain about ALPA are same people who run to ALPA when they:
- loose their medical
- have a safety violation
- encounter misc contract violations
- have an accident
- they get furloughed

ALPA has it's probelms but the services provided far outwright it's weaknesses.
After seeing some of my fellow bretheren get cancer, ALPA stepped in fast to make sure these people were taken care off.

Get sick and see what the f#%K your company is going to do for you....

Go off the runway (yeah, it won't happen to you), and see what the FAA and the company will try to do...

When was the last time your company tried to make you fly en illegal trip?

Again, ALPA has it's problems, but ALPA is their when you need them most...in times of crisis.

House

 

[Cathay747400]

OK, now my two cents

I too WAS an ALPO member for a number of airlines for Ten years. My father an MEC at his. His airline was shut down and ALPO tried to purchase it in some scheme that never transpired. Father died of a massive storke at 44. Left 3 kids and a wife in big debt. Guess what his retirement-GONE. You would think I'd know better. Anyhoo, I have watched over the years mergers, acqusisitions, bankruptcys etc... Then the Scabs came. Hmmm did ALPO not blacklist people then vote them back in? Comes down to one thing-MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you ain't got the money, you is screwed. I have watched ALPO harrass people to death about dues, no mercy there. I was one of them, right when I got off probation, "Hey, where is your dues bro" Hey a-holes, it's in the same pocket as all the scabs you voted back in. I am sorry I am going off on a tangent, but please ALPA is over. All my airlines are gone, the industry is a mess and just you wait till consolidation time and let the real screaming begin. Ask the Pan am, Eastern, Western, Ozark, Republic, Braniff and a slew of others what ALPA did for that, What again? BROTHERHOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT!!!

 

[House_X]

I too WAS an ALPO member for a number of airlines for Ten years. My father an MEC at his. His airline was shut down and ALPO tried to purchase it in some scheme that never transpired. Father died of a massive storke at 44. Left 3 kids and a wife in big debt. Guess what his retirement-GONE. You would think I'd know better. Anyhoo, I have watched over the years mergers, acqusisitions, bankruptcys etc... Then the Scabs came. Hmmm did ALPO not blacklist people then vote them back in? Comes down to one thing-MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you ain't got the money, you is screwed. I have watched ALPO harrass people to death about dues, no mercy there. I was one of them, right when I got off probation, "Hey, where is your dues bro" Hey a-holes, it's in the same pocket as all the scabs you voted back in. I am sorry I am going off on a tangent, but please ALPA is over. All my airlines are gone, the industry is a mess and just you wait till consolidation time and let the real screaming begin. Ask the Pan am, Eastern, Western, Ozark, Republic, Braniff and a slew of others what ALPA did for that, What again? BROTHERHOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT!!!

First off...sorry about your father.

ALPA can't do anything when management runs "THEIR" airline to the ground. That's just bad business. Please don't blame ALPA for the economic woes of our time. There are plenty of other professions that are doing poorly in the United States.

Also, I find it ironic that you complain about ALPA, and you work for a company that has a history of treating pilots like a sac-of-$#it (the 49ers). When you make a "pilot error", have a medical issue and get yanked from the line, or grieve a contract violation issue and find yourself on the street, you'll be running to "ALPO"....

 

[AA717driver]

House-X--I know what you're saying but looking at your profile, you and ALPA are still in the dating stage. Just wait a few years until you get it with no lube...

Anyone who thinks ALPA is anything other than a glorified legal services organization these days is in a windowless room. They are and have been powerless to do anything to stop the raping and pillaging of the majority of its members. Ever since Hank Duffy failed to act to stop security screening and drug testing of crews, it has been downhill. It didn't seem like it because ALPA scored a couple of victories here and there to maintain the facade but the foundation of our union was crumbling.

Now, our union has all but collapsed under the weight of management using every tool in the drawer. All while ALPA kept all its tools at Herndon.TC

 

[drag]

One of my greatest moments was taking my ALPA card and dumping it in my trusty Fellowes paper shredder. What a lame union. I'm so glad to be out.