Feudin at USSAPy

[PHXFLYR]

If IBT is put to a vote, it will be competing with at least ALPA and another in-house union. The results will likely be no one getting a majority of the votes and the airline becoming non-union for a time. During which the Transition Agreement will be thrown in the shredder and the company will assign a seniority list of it's choosing and use LOA93 for both sides. Who thinks that the company would pass on such an opportunity to move the chains down the field?

You USAPA supporters just never got the hang of thinking things through, did you? Let the adults run the union from now on.

You got that right.

PHXFLYR

 

[vetrider]

Wow. Sure didn't take long to get hooked on the kool aid there, did it ?

PHXFLYR

Cleary's got a few third listers mowing his lawn, taking out the trash, washing his car, giving him manicures etc etc

 

[Tweaker]

I've recently been promoted to royal ball washer, I'll have you know! The interview process was a real humdinger.

 

[Raoul Duke]

waxing his taint

 

[Tweaker]

Yes, things of this nature.

 

[vetrider]

Don't laugh, some of them are. A yellow lanyard boyfriend and girlfriend come to mind. I'm not sure which of them mows the lawn and which performs the, uh, other acts. Perhaps both do both.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Despite the usual pontifications and nonsense on this forum, what are real world implications of US Air going Teamsters? Does it matter?

 

[becket]

Despite the usual pontifications and nonsense on this forum, what are real world implications of US Air going Teamsters? Does it matter?

No. It won't change a thing. The nic. Is the only legal list to be used. Period. The End.

 

[Tweaker]

Without a settled seniority dispute or LOA 93 in the pilots favor, I don't think it will change things one iota of a cracker. I do think it is a good thing down the road tho.

 

[Carl S.]

Dream all you want Easties, but the SLI is done for the AAA/AWA merger. Whoever is the CBA will learn this the easy way or the USAPA way. Delay is your only tool left in the toolbox, you decide when LOA 93 gets old, not us Westies.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Without a settled seniority dispute or LOA 93 in the pilots favor, I don't think it will change things one iota of a cracker. I do think it is a good thing down the road tho.

Youre kidding, right ? You really think there's a snowballs chance in he!! of this getting resolved in the pilots favor ?

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Don't confuse me for someone who is invested in either party in this feces flinging contest. If you would like me to restate it more accurately, I feel that there is very little support for ALPO among the West pilots (my impression) and next to none among the East (that is pretty much indisputable).

Well isn't that politically convient, playing both end towards the middle. Seem's to remind me of the old saying about the person that refuses to stand up for something and how they will eventually fall for anything.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Cleary's got a few third listers mowing his lawn, taking out the trash, washing his car, giving him manicures etc etc

Not all of them,though. There are more than a few, though who know what the score is. It will be up to them to determine what course this pilot group will take going forward. Glad I don't have much time left.

PHXFLYR

 

[St. Nic]

I'm so tired of your drivel PHX. Give it a rest- you guys are the ones that screwed the pooch and left this mess for USAPA to clean up. It should be over soon with another desert judge smack down at the 9th! USAPA is free to negotiate whatever they want!

 

[FDJ2]

Despite the usual pontifications and nonsense on this forum, what are real world implications of US Air going Teamsters? Does it matter?

JMHO, but no, it won't matter if the leadership stays the same. What's needed is real leadership. The east blames ALPA for all their woes, when in reality it was working for a bankrupt carrier that lead to the concessions and pandering leadership which put their membership at risk during the SLI. After painting themselves in a corner and making themselves irrelevant during the the SLI, a group of pilots who thought being loud and angry was better than being effective sold the pilots the USAPA snake oil. Just vote in this new union and all your problems go away, we'll just double down on a failed strategy.

There's a time for union leaders to stand up for their members, but there is also a time for union leaders to stand up to their members and tell them that pursuing a strategy that feels good hasn't worked, and won't work in the future. The only road forward, besides hoping for fragmentation, is to implement the Nicolau award and start acting like a real union, focused on your common interests.