fellow COEX'ers

[Ponchus pilot]

Whats all this crap we keep hearing about Skywest taking our flying if we strike?

skooter, you are opening up a can of worms here listen, we are a long way from going on strike and it probably wont happen and even if it does it will be a while for cal to take the airplanes and give them to someone else. The skywest guys did not fly struck work during comairs ordeal and I would doubt it they would do it now. The fact that they did not want to go union only affects them. I have friends that work there and They tell me how it is.

 

[skootertrash]

I know we are far from striking but I don't like the rumors I've heard.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I know we are far from striking but I don't like the rumors I've heard.

What rumors?

 

[Mike man]

I thought an unofficial work slow down was illegal.

I really hope you guys/gals get Comair+15% or better yet (CAL 737 Pay/137)*50=New COEX pay because if you don't get anything close to that you all need to resign from flightinfo.com

 

[FinalApproach]

Toga....

Excellent post...

 

[CEO silly sap]

does anyone else find the irony in " CAL an army of ONE"

one scab line maybe, but no true foundation to fight a company. BLUDEVL AV8tr: Ive heard about your unions proposals and informational picketing. And that is met with what appears to be a less than joyful exhuberance from you pilot group, what else will your union be doing?


Is it true your union is in termoil, rumors are your union's leadership is in recall?
Is it also true your union is working between the old contract and the "new" contract, while the new contract hasnt been ratified yet?

The grumblings Ive heard from your pilots, it would appear that less than Comair is coming soon and the "Raise the bar" rally is slowly regressing to a "just get it done" party?

 

[hagen]

Hey Jimmy don't you have anything better to do with your time???

 

[BluDevAv8r]

does anyone else find the irony in " CAL an army of ONE"

one scab line maybe, but no true foundation to fight a company. BLUDEVL AV8tr: Ive heard about your unions proposals and informational picketing. And that is met with what appears to be a less than joyful exhuberance from you pilot group, what else will your union be doing?


Is it true your union is in termoil, rumors are your union's leadership is in recall?
Is it also true your union is working between the old contract and the "new" contract, while the new contract hasnt been ratified yet?

The grumblings Ive heard from your pilots, it would appear that less than Comair is coming soon and the "Raise the bar" rally is slowly regressing to a "just get it done" party?

CEO Silly Sap:

I don't know what "termoil" is or what "exhuberance" is, but that is probably neither here nor there.

Actually, I don't really understand your comments nor do I understand their relevance to this discussion. What do you mean, "working between the old contract and the new contract?" What grumblings have you heard? What leadership is "in recall?" What "just get it done" party do you speak of?

You are naturally free to speak your mind, but perhaps you can give us some background on who you are. What airline did you fly for? Who are you hearing these rumors (unfounded at that) from? If you are going to sling mud, perhaps you should give us a little more information.

I guess my last question is...if you are retired, why do you care about us or our contract?

-Neal

 

[FSB99]

come on neal....

you've got much better ways to spend your time than refute this yahoo on this forum.
you might hurt his feelings on top of it all.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

come on neal....

you've got much better ways to spend your time than refute this yahoo on this forum.
you might hurt his feelings on top of it all.

You're right. But sometimes I can't help myself...

-Neal

 

[vmc-hound]

I overheard (I was in the head...validity not sure but for some reason I get the best new cra p while taking one but anyway) that middle management felt they had a pretty good working relationship with the pilots but it was the "Reamster" and the bean counters...what is the real story?

 

[Kill Bob]

You're right. But sometimes I can't help myself...

-Neal

How bout' helping your pilot group? Do any Red-eye flying latley? Gave that up like a cheap whore?? I don't believe your pilot group got to vote on that? -- OK guys - here is the deal - we will do whatever managment wants us to do during negotiations - Because they are our friends and we should help them out - so we really don't need to vote on this- or get anything in return for doing it. How bout' helping the pilot group out- let them decide what they will or will not do for the company - stop negotiating the old contract and start negotiating the new one--- K.B.

 

[MJG]

How bout' helping your pilot group? Do any Red-eye flying latley? Gave that up like a cheap whore?? I don't believe your pilot group got to vote on that? -- so we really don't need to vote on this- or get anything in return for doing it.--K.B.

Hmmmm.....

Red-eye flying creates new pilot positions in IAH, both captain and fo. Therebye giving fo's the opportunity to upgrade to captain sooner, getting reserve captains the opportunity to get off reserve faster, and hiring more pilots from off the street therebye moving everyone up the already stagnant seniorty list. It also puts more pilots on the seniority list below you which is additional job protection for you. There was no vote because it was a win win situation for all involved. The decision was made to allow the flying long before negotiations came to a standstill and Jimmy gave his little presentation to the pilots, so there was no reason to deny it or play hardball at the time.

It also generates additional revenue in a time when that is starting to dry up. Therebye giving the company additional funds with which to fund your eventual pay raise.

 

[Air Biscuit]

Hmmmm.....

Red-eye flying creates new pilot positions in IAH, both captain and fo. Therebye giving fo's the opportunity to upgrade to captain sooner, getting reserve captains the opportunity to get off reserve faster, and hiring more pilots from off the street therebye moving everyone up the already stagnant seniorty list. It also puts more pilots on the seniority list below you which is additional job protection for you. There was no vote because it was a win win situation for all involved. The decision was made to allow the flying long before negotiations came to a standstill and Jimmy gave his little presentation to the pilots, so there was no reason to deny it or play hardball at the time.

It also generates additional revenue in a time when that is starting to dry up. Therebye giving the company additional funds with which to fund your eventual pay raise.

I disagree. Red-eye flying regardless of the benefits to the pilot group should have not just been agreed to. It's called leverage. This is something management wanted. We got nothing for it. Not smart in my opinion. Prop MOU. LOA 15. When will the union wake up. We are grossly underpaid and we just keep giving without getting anything in return. Who in the hell wants to do red-eye flying anyway. If you want red-eye flying go fly freight for a living.

 

[Air Biscuit]

One more thing. We are grossly underpaid as it is. Who cares about job security when the guy serving your fries at the airport makes as much money as you do. If you can even afford them. Most guys I fly with have to look forward to the free mystery meat disks and snacks they brought from home. What a joke. Until we are able to exercise our right to strike I am not all that optimistic that our union will be able to put out a respectable TA. 29% sorry. Not even close.