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Sine the press release said the the 757s would REPLACE the 727s, how will this affect staffing? Going from approx. 110 three crew 727s to 90 two crew 757s has to have an impact on future staffing needs.
 
Hiring will slow

Well Fedex is retiring an avg of 200-250 guys per year according to guys in my squadron. Also add to the fact that the age 60 goes before congress in the fall. If both of these happen I could see trickle hiring. Just my take but you guys run the numbers. The good news is if hired your second year pay is really good. What do you guys think.
 
There can't be any hope of engine commonality. At least not when shopping for 90 airframes. Among potential cast-aside airframes are the early RR powered birds (with the shorter nacelle, not the -535E4) ex-TWA Pratt & Whitneys, Newer RR aircraft, you name it. It appears UPS had the same troubles, the ended up with a mixed PW/RR fleet.
 
Cardinal said:
There can't be any hope of engine commonality. At least not when shopping for 90 airframes. Among potential cast-aside airframes are the early RR powered birds (with the shorter nacelle, not the -535E4) ex-TWA Pratt & Whitneys, Newer RR aircraft, you name it. It appears UPS had the same troubles, the ended up with a mixed PW/RR fleet.
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UPS' first 25 factory built 757PFs were Pratt 2040 powered. The second batch of 50 were Rolls RB211 powered. UPS purposely ordered them that way. The Rolls were part of a larger deal involving the Tay 727 engine mod.
 
Lowpayisgreat said:
Well Fedex is retiring an avg of 200-250 guys per year according to guys in my squadron. Also add to the fact that the age 60 goes before congress in the fall. If both of these happen I could see trickle hiring. Just my take but you guys run the numbers. The good news is if hired your second year pay is really good. What do you guys think.
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I'm sure this process will take a while. The article says beginning in 2008 with an 8 year transition.

"FedEx announced today a $2.6 billion, multi-year program to acquire and modify nearly 90 Boeing 757-200 aircraft to replace FedEx Express's narrow-body fleet of Boeing 727-200 aircraft. Subject to identification of suitable 757 aircraft to purchase and the successful negotiation of agreements to purchase such aircraft, FedEx Express expects to bring the new aircraft into service during the eight-year period between calendar year 2008 and 2016."
 
757s! Awesome.

You guys are asking where from and commonality, etc. I stand by my post on another thread that they will come from Delta and Northwest AFTER they merge and dump the 757s. Psssstttt.....they're all Pratt powered!!!

The real question is what engine is on approximately 10 all white 757s that are in Miami right now undergoing cargo retrofitting that used to masquerade as a Brazilian carrier that used to start with a V and had 5 letters. Those airplanes don't have Pratts, but maybe FedEx would blend engines.

All Cajuns keep your eyes peeled in Acadiana when these 757s start flying MIA-ARA for some spiffy new purple paint in the not too distant future (1st half of next year).

You heard it here first...

Conspiracies-r-us
 
Wildmanny said:
757s! Awesome.

You guys are asking where from and commonality, etc. I stand by my post on another thread that they will come from Delta and Northwest AFTER they merge and dump the 757s. Psssstttt.....they're all Pratt powered!!!
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I wouldn't even stand near that post if I were you, much less right by it. Big D will never give up the 757 until a replacement is purchased. It's over 1/4 of the fleet and the main transcon aircraft. They are being retrofited with state-of-the art IFE at about 18 per month.
 
TheGuat said:
Sine the press release said the the 757s would REPLACE the 727s, how will this affect staffing? Going from approx. 110 three crew 727s to 90 two crew 757s has to have an impact on future staffing needs.
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FWIW, if the new TA passes, I've heard it will require 400 more pilots to cover just the scheduling/rig changes. Perhaps that will offset the 2 vs 3 man crews. Although, like someone else said, it's going to be quite a few years before we see more 757s than 727s on the property.
 
engines

Guat...

You're close...first 35 are pratts, last 40 are rolls. Shame you can't interchange because ups loves the rolls reliability a lot more than the pratt.

Aviator7576
 
Fox-Tree said:
FWIW, if the new TA passes, I've heard it will require 400 more pilots to cover just the scheduling/rig changes. Perhaps that will offset the 2 vs 3 man crews. Although, like someone else said, it's going to be quite a few years before we see more 757s than 727s on the property.
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Let's see, in 1989 the "official" word was that all the 727-100s would be gone within a year...

I expect the -100s will finally be leaving us due to the AD that is on them, but the -200s will likely be around for quite a lot longer than anyone expects, we just can't afford to give up the lift as the growth rate exceeds the rate we get new airplanes. By the time the 727s are gone there will be a whole lot of something else to more than make up for that lift.
 
Bidding

Another upside...this should shake up the 727 seniority list...maybe motivate a few fellas to upgrade that have been staying in the seat. I've heard the 757 Indy base rumor too..that will be go senior. Have also heard the 757 being used in Europe to supplement our current Bus routes.
 
Ninerfan said:
Another upside...this should shake up the 727 seniority list...maybe motivate a few fellas to upgrade that have been staying in the seat.
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Not this fella.:laugh: I'm staying until they tell me I have to leave. Someone else can have my training cycle...and my 757 raise to boot. :rolleyes: Oh yeah that's right, same pay....nevermind.
 
I predict:

757 captain...more senior than 727...nice avionics and sexy jet.

757 F/O...junior to 727...more work at same pay. Exceptions will be guys senior enough to hold hometown lines.
 
I'm with ya Albie

If you get the same pay and you have the choice of doing walk arounds in the snow/wind/sleet/de-ice fluid/heat/etc - I think most guys would pick the "no-walk around" option. When I upgraded to the bus, I missed the good ole days of parking my donkey in the right seat.

It is not whining, it is reality.

Goose17
 
Don't hold your breath....

or you may really turn purple.

Didn't the board also approve the 737 as a replacement for the 727 a few years ago. Just like the 757, dependent on the availability of xx airframes at xx dollars. I had breakfast in the summer of 2005 with the fleet manager for the 737. He had already been typed by the company but plans fell through and he was getting requal'd in the 727. This seems a lot like one of those "I'll believe it when I see it sitting on the ramp painted purple" announcements. JMHO
 
I also heard that CAL was buying those 10 airplanes in MIA. To fly the new international service out of CLE.
 
757 pay

I think the fedex nc screwed the pooch on this one. A wb 310 carries how much more than a nb 757????? I can see the 737 in the nb category, but not the 757.

Aviator7576
 
Aviator7576 said:
I think the fedex nc screwed the pooch on this one. A wb 310 carries how much more than a nb 757????? I can see the 737 in the nb category, but not the 757.

Aviator7576
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Why would/should the negotiating committee give up anything in our new TA to get something for an aircraft that isn't on the property. If (big if) we have any 757's on the ramp by October 2010, it can then be addressed in our next contract.
 
I think the only guys who will go to the right seat of the 75 will be S/Os on the 72. The left seat, though, will open up a lot of Captain slots for everybody while the transition occurs, so its tough to say if it will go senior.

Me, I'd rather fly the newer of the dinosaurs and maybe even have some modern avionics so you don't have to ask for a vector to LIT as you level off with Denver Center. How embarrassing is that?

FJ
 
Falconjet said:
I think the only guys who will go to the right seat of the 75 will be S/Os on the 72. The left seat, though, will open up a lot of Captain slots for everybody while the transition occurs, so its tough to say if it will go senior.

Me, I'd rather fly the newer of the dinosaurs and maybe even have some modern avionics so you don't have to ask for a vector to LIT as you level off with Denver Center. How embarrassing is that?

FJ
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"Embarrassing?" As long as the flying is contract compliant, is not struck work, and my paycheck magically arrives every two weeks, I will happily fly any aircraft on FedEx property without any sign of embarrassment. "Direct LIT", "uhh, could we get a vector?", "RNAV approach?" "Unable"..See it's easy...)
 
de Pez said:
"Embarrassing?" As long as the flying is contract compliant, is not struck work, and my paycheck magically arrives every two weeks, I will happily fly any aircraft on FedEx property without any sign of embarrassment. "Direct LIT", "uhh, could we get a vector?", "RNAV approach?" "Unable"..See it's easy...)
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I personally find it incredibly embarrassing that we have to ask for vectors for a direct clearance to anything other than a VOR (that happens to be in range).

Its 2006, were supposed to be professional aviators flying for the premier freight airline in the world (no offense UPS), and Mr. Smith won't even pony up for a GPS?

784M in income last quarter and we can't afford a simple GPS?

That boggles my mind.

Of course I am appreciative of the fact that the paychecks show up, but it would be nice to have "one level of safety" in the entire fleet, not just the MD-11.

FJ
 

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