Fedex down in LBB

[thunderworm]

the F may not complain but i would if i spent all day in it. when i stopped flying the F my hearing got better. now i can hear what the wife is saying to me. ah the days of flying the F.

 

[fokkers&beer]

I wish my hearing would come back. I think the majority of my hearing loss was donated to the F however.

 

[Juan Trippe]

i remember when empire was trying crush the f-27 and sell it for scrap and the comercial crusher was having a very hard time at it.

Yeah, that's right. I believe as the story goes they tried to take those two planes apart with backhoes, and it didn't work. So, they had to cut them up with torches. Some tough old machines! They used to spit in the eye of corrosion ... unlike the girly ATRs.

 

[ATRCAPT]

I wish my hearing would come back. I think the majority of my hearing loss was donated to the F however.

WHAT!?!

 

[fokkers&beer]

the F may not complain but i would if i spent all day in it. when i stopped flying the F my hearing got better. now i can hear what the wife is saying to me. ah the days of flying the F.

As for hearing my Wife, its called "SELECTIVE HEARING"........ Oh thunderworm you still have much to learn.

 

[filejw]

Glad that the crew is okay.



I never flew the F-27, but my dad did. I just rode around on them as a kid. By the time I was old enough to be asking the right questions he had retired after 12 or more years on the DC-9 (which he loved) and he didn't seem that enthralled with the Fokker.

I did inherit his F-27 manual though...in one of those old fashioned, blue cloth covered three ring binders nith "Fairchild F-27" embossed on the cover. His airline slipped their first orders to West Coast so they could get the next series with bigger engines...I always thought the f-27 "looked right".

But when I watched the ATR's on the ramp in STL they looked like just what they are. A good idea that spent too much time being engineered by too many people who had lost sight of what the hell they were trying to do in the first place!

No doubt an Air West guy... many a great memory with those guys.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Thats too bad. Although I don't have all the info on my friends accident, I do think it would have been less likely to happen in the good ol' solid F-27. Even though it doesn't have a lick of glass or anything in it designed past the 1940's, there is rarely a pilot who doesn't list it as one of the best airplanes he/she ever flew.

As for the ATR, it's all sorts of screwy, impossibly labor intensive to hand fly and because of it's many incidents and accidents has been modified over 10,000 times. It's an o.k. fair weather transport but when its really bad outside I think every pilot wishes he was flying something different.

I have flown both the Dash 8 and the ATR42/72.

While I admit readily that the ATR is not as forgiving in the ice as the Dash 8 (and ostensively the F-27 as well), I disagree that the ATR is difficult to hand fly. It is heavier on the controls than the Dash, which I found a help rather than a hinderence when hand flying- It just seemed more stable. The electric trim was nice too.

Neither the ATR or the Dash is particularly difficult to handfly. The ATR is not, however, as robust as the Dash for sure.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I haven't flow the ATR, but surely it can't be as hard to fly as the JS31.

 

[ATRCAPT]

I have flown both the Dash 8 and the ATR42/72.

While I admit readily that the ATR is not as forgiving in the ice as the Dash 8 (and ostensively the F-27 as well), I disagree that the ATR is difficult to hand fly. It is heavier on the controls than the Dash, which I found a help rather than a hinderence when hand flying- It just seemed more stable. The electric trim was nice too.

Neither the ATR or the Dash is particularly difficult to handfly. The ATR is not, however, as robust as the Dash for sure.

I've flown all three and can say the Dash is the rightful heir to the F27 legacy. Both wonderful airplanes. The ATR is a piece of poo-poo.

 

[belchfire]

No doubt an Air West guy... many a great memory with those guys.

Yep...