Fedex down in LBB

[GSXR600]

Looks like Empire.

You beat me to it!!

 

[ATRCAPT]

it is empire. they have been doing that run for many years. i am sure that non of them are allowed to talked about the crash until after the investigation per company rules. the atr is not that bad in ice and freezing mist never brought down any plane on approach. maybe the gear collapsed or something. soon we will all know. i know that the pic had a lot of time in that aircraft and is a very good pilot. i am sure it was not pilots error. glad everyone walked away unhurt.

Agreed. This particular captain knows what he's doing.

Howzit going worm?

 

[blingair]

I just found out about this. What a bummer. The Captain is aces and has spent years hammering it out in SE Alaska. Don't know anything about the F/O, but I hope them all the best with all they have and will go through during this ordeal.

 

[fokkers&beer]

I also agree, the Captain is one of the most experienced guys in the company and a good friend to boot.
It just reminds you how fragile our careers are and something like this can happen to anyone at anytime, no matter how much experience you have.

 

[gromgutten]

If icing is a factor, the ATR is definitely not the top choice of turboprop. Give me a Dash, Saab or Fokker...

 

[Stepclimb]

the atr is not that bad in ice and freezing mist never brought down any plane on approach. maybe the gear collapsed or something.

I doubt the gear had anything to do with this. They were on approach to 17R and the aircraft is down a few hundred feet north of the 17R approach lights.

 

[A300FE]

it is empire. they have been doing that run for many years. i am sure that non of them are allowed to talked about the crash until after the investigation per company rules. the atr is not that bad in ice and freezing mist never brought down any plane on approach. maybe the gear collapsed or something. soon we will all know. i know that the pic had a lot of time in that aircraft and is a very good pilot. i am sure it was not pilots error. glad everyone walked away unhurt.

"The investigation". That is the worst part. Dealing with the NTSB and Empire Management. I am glad they walked away, but the next few days are going to be hell. Hope they did everything "by the book", cause they will look at everything possible to blame the crew.

Anybody knows the weather reports at the time they landed?

 

[refplusnone]

METAR text: KLBB 270953Z 01014KT 3SM -FZDZ BR OVC005 M08/M09 A3013 RMK AO2 PRESRR SLP227 P0000 T10781094

 

[na4life]

Ref
Get your azz back in the books. You got a type ride to pass.

 

[jmreii]

<It was an F-27> I stand corrected. An F-27 has been on that route for years. They must have just changed it over to the ATR recently.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFS8284

F-27 is busy following the steam engine into the history books

 

[blingair]

F-27 is busy following the steam engine into the history books

Thats too bad. Although I don't have all the info on my friends accident, I do think it would have been less likely to happen in the good ol' solid F-27. Even though it doesn't have a lick of glass or anything in it designed past the 1940's, there is rarely a pilot who doesn't list it as one of the best airplanes he/she ever flew.

As for the ATR, it's all sorts of screwy, impossibly labor intensive to hand fly and because of it's many incidents and accidents has been modified over 10,000 times. It's an o.k. fair weather transport but when its really bad outside I think every pilot wishes he was flying something different.

 

[refplusnone]

Ref
Get your azz back in the books. You got a type ride to pass.

Crackin' the whip.

I suppose I shall return to my hole on the south side of Houston (all the while trying not to get mugged).

 

[El Piloto Chido]

If it went down short of the approach lights, then based on that METAR I'd guess tailplane icing to be a likely culprit (again).

The good ole Fokker had a nice big horizontal stab- like an extra wing. It flew like a Peterbuilt drives.

 

[fokkers&beer]

If it went down short of the approach lights, then based on that METAR I'd guess tailplane icing to be a likely culprit (again).

The good ole Fokker had a nice big horizontal stab- like an extra wing. It flew like a Peterbuilt drives.

Wasn't the F built by Peterbilt in the US?

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

The Fokker wasn't built, it was poured.

CE

 

[Whataburger]

The Dash is the Jeep Wrangler of the skies. Works good, lasts long time.

 

[thunderworm]

i see your name and i get get hungry. i totaly got faked out when i saw a sign in OK and then realized it was watson burger not nearly as greasy and good.

i remember when empire was trying crush the f-27 and sell it for scrap and the comercial crusher was having a very hard time at it.

 

[belchfire]

Glad that the crew is okay.

Thats too bad. Although I don't have all the info on my friends accident, I do think it would have been less likely to happen in the good ol' solid F-27. Even though it doesn't have a lick of glass or anything in it designed past the 1940's, there is rarely a pilot who doesn't list it as one of the best airplanes he/she ever flew.

As for the ATR, it's all sorts of screwy, impossibly labor intensive to hand fly and because of it's many incidents and accidents has been modified over 10,000 times. It's an o.k. fair weather transport but when its really bad outside I think every pilot wishes he was flying something different.

I never flew the F-27, but my dad did. I just rode around on them as a kid. By the time I was old enough to be asking the right questions he had retired after 12 or more years on the DC-9 (which he loved) and he didn't seem that enthralled with the Fokker.

I did inherit his F-27 manual though...in one of those old fashioned, blue cloth covered three ring binders with "Fairchild F-27" embossed on the cover. His airline slipped their first orders to West Coast so they could get the next series with bigger engines...I always thought the f-27 "looked right".

But when I watched the ATR's on the ramp in STL they looked like just what they are. A good idea that spent too much time being engineered by too many people who had lost sight of what the hell they were trying to do in the first place!

 

[El Piloto Chido]

A good idea that spent too much time being engineered by too many people who had lost sight of what the hell they were trying to do in the first place!

Exactly, a design by commitee (French and Italians).

Reminds me of how the SR-71 was designed almost soley by one guy: Kelly Johnson of Skunkworks. And what a kick @ss machine it turned out to be.

 

[ATRCAPT]

The Fokker wasn't built, it was poured.

CE

You got that right! Any airplane that was built with the idea of replacing DC-3's has to be tough as nails.

I have close to 3k hours in the whistle-pig, with a good chunk of it in SE Alaska. That thing will carry ice all day long and not complain.