FedEx C-208 Unscheduled landing

[MJG]

So did they bring a FedEx truck out to load up the loot or what?

 

[TonyC]

So did they bring a FedEx truck out to load up the loot or what?

Could have been, probably was, but I don't know. By the time the TV News Chopper could make it the entire THIRTY-FIVE miles to the scene, the packages had already been offloaded and trucked away and a crane was already lifting the severed wing. One would think they sent them on to Monroe, but it's possible they went back to Memphis for another attempt in an airplane.

Anybody know where we can buy a replacement left wing?

 

[Future SNA]

On a more practical note, man it sucks to see them lose an "FX" plane, I mean come on, a guys gotta rest his arms!

 

[wingnutt]

Anybody know where we can buy a replacement left wing?

yup...theyve got a stack of em out there in Batesville where FedEx does alot, if not most of their airframe repairs

 

[TonyC]

yup...theyve got a stack of em out there in Batesville where FedEx does alot, if not most of their airframe repairs

What a coincidence - - that's where they said they were taking it to be repaired. It oughtta be there via flatbed by now.

 

[freightdoggie]

...then the very pressure that we are worried about would blow the stick completely out of the valve, allowing the ball to settle and prevent catastrophic oil loss

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I see what your getting at wingnutt, I am curious though, would the dipstick have enough clearance between the filler port top and the engine cowling, to allow that valve to seat, or is the dipstick too long, resulting in the oil blowing by the unseated safety valve...

 

[wingnutt]

...would the dipstick have enough clearance between the filler port top and the engine cowling, to allow that valve to seat, or is the dipstick too long.

good question! but if youll notice, the dipsticks in the vans with the mod are actually about 3 inches shorter than those van sticks without the mod, which (i was told) allows just enough clearance for the pressure to seat the valve with only minimum amount of upward movement

 

[wingnutt]

What a coincidence - - that's where they said they were taking it to be repaired. It oughtta be there via flatbed by now.

yup, those guys in mississippi are really good. they have evolved into mostly caravan work, but every now and then get an odd duck in. like right now they have LJ001, the first King Air ever built which is being done for some sort of museum

 

[TonyC]

yup, those guys in mississippi are really good. they have evolved into mostly caravan work, but every now and then get an odd duck in. like right now they have LJ001, the first King Air ever built which is being done for some sort of museum

Don't they do caskets in Batesville, too??

 

[Brownshoe]

I believe the check valve mod/AD came out in the early 90's after 2 Caravans were lost in Alaska within a short period of time after departing with the dipsticks not secured. MarkAir Express lost one out of Dillingham and PenAir lost one out of King Salmon.

 

[FracCapt]

Don't they do caskets in Batesville, too??

That's Batesville, AR...

 

[TonyC]

That's Batesville, AR...

That's comforting.

 

[bandit110]

Note to self.....


Next time I land on a highway in the middle of the night, leave the beacon light on till the battery dies.............

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Found out what happened...

Talking to another Caravan Pilot who knew the instructor on board told me what happened. This is the "Delta Serria" award for the week.
While on a revenue flight, the instructor decided to do an inflight shutdown... and do an airstart. Well.... It didn't start!
Um.... why does the company spend $8,000 for sim instruction, where you can do all the Ng roll backs/ Flameouts until you're sick and tired of engine failures, but wants to do it in real life anyways?!?!
I guess the only good thing is that everyone was okay in the end, which is great. And its a good thing that stretch of road is well lit, and its also a good thing that it wasn't a FedEx Ground truck that hit them on the highway.

 

[mizzouguy]

Another case of why you don't land on a road. Hes lucky the truck didnt run him over

 

[FN FAL]

Found out what happened...
Talking to another Caravan Pilot who knew the instructor on board told me what happened. This is the "Delta Serria" award for the week.
While on a revenue flight, the instructor decided to do an inflight shutdown... and do an airstart. Well.... It didn't start!
Um.... why does the company spend $8,000 for sim instruction, where you can do all the Ng roll backs/ Flameouts until you're sick and tired of engine failures, but wants to do it in real life anyways?!?!
I guess the only good thing is that everyone was okay in the end, which is great. And its a good thing that stretch of road is well lit, and its also a good thing that it wasn't a FedEx Ground truck that hit them on the highway.

I'm not saying what you found out isn't true...but it sure seems wierd. If that is the way it went down, I would guess there will be a vacancy open at that contractor.

 

[wingnutt]

I'm not saying what you found out isn't true...but it sure seems wierd.

agreed...

1- instruction not allowed while on a revenue flights

2- feathering is fine, but full engine shutdowns were discontinued many moons ago

...perhaps someone got their story screwed up?!?

 

[mar]

Re: Flight orig in MEM and landed MISS

On a training flight it's more likely that whatever caused the engine to quit was preceded by the sage words of the check airman, "Let me show you something."

<<Pats self on back>>

"There are no new mistakes. Just new pilots making old mistakes."

 

[KigAir]

Re: Found out what happened...

While on a revenue flight, the instructor decided to do an inflight shutdown... and do an airstart. Well.... It didn't start!

If this is indeed what happend, can the instructor be sued by FX or the insurance company for the damage done to the aircraft?

 

[FN FAL]

If this is indeed what happend, can the instructor be sued by FX or the insurance company for the damage done to the aircraft?

I would think they could, but I don't know if they would. It would be kind of like squeezing blood out of a turnip. However, if there was cargo on the plane that was damaged, I would think the recipient or the sender could sue.

Plus, the owner of the semi or the semi driver could sue.

Here is one for you, what if the state pursued wreckless endangerment charges in criminal court?

There have been no details released by the Feds or Fedex as to what the causal factor is on the crash yet...so till then it's all speculation as to what really happened.

 

[Groundpounder]

I work for a company that also flies 208's for FedEx, and I got pretty much the full story.

I guess when they tried to do the restart, they activated the emergency power lever, and at some point the engine lit off with it in the full forward position, and pretty much melted the engine. It wouldn't make any power after that.....

From what I understand, FedEx is mighty ticked off at Baron, and may cancel their contract, and give their planes to someone else.

Same thing happened with one of our caravans a while ago. Pilot flew into rain without the inertial seperator activated, engine flamed out, pilot started hitting every lever he could, firewalled the emergency power lever, and at some point, the engine lit, and then melted itself. Lucky for the pilot he did this right over an airport.

 

[Future SNA]

From what I understand, FedEx is mighty ticked off at Baron, and may cancel their contract, and give their planes to someone else.

OH MY GOD! If this happens I would shiznit my pants! Whatever these two jackarses were doing is OBVIOUSLY very stupid, but Baron is a good bunch of people, I would hate to see something this drastic happen! Are you sure about this, or is this just hearsay?

On the other note, I hear the new hire was a furloughed Northwest pilot, did he stay with Baron, or did he leave, volutarily or involuntarily? Did the training captain get fired? Wow, so many possibilities, if anyone knows alot of specifics, ie, names, results, accurate info, pm me please. I'll get more info tomorrow at my job, but still would like to know.

I wonder at what point these guys thought it was a P3 failure and decided to unstow the EPL?

 

[FN FAL]

I hear the new hire was a furloughed Northwest pilot,

hehehe...there was a shattering of a freight runner's Beech 99 by a furloughed Spirit guy this winter. Of course he was on furlough because of a double flame out in the DC-9...but who's counting.

I don't know why everybody thinks that the "emergency" power lever is an "extra" power lever...one of the two has to be either stowed or at flight idle to use the other.

 

[Future SNA]

I wasn't implying that he was a good pilot since he was furloughed from NWA, actually, in all reality, I was more figuring he got out of the plane, started crying, and said f-u-c-k this, and walked home.

 

[wingnutt]

I don't know why everybody thinks that the "emergency" power lever is an "extra" power lever...one of the two has to be either stowed or at flight idle to use the other.

because thats exactly what they used to down the Brazil way. when its hot outside they'd actually use the EPL to get every ounce of power they could...thats why they recently came out with the new "max" position on the EPL, altough its simply a placard, and not a mechanical stop

 

[FN FAL]

I was more figuring he got out of the plane, started crying, and said f-u-c-k this, and walked home.

I don't know if he can just say "f-u-c-k this".

I figure the training guy (IOE Captain) probably has his woes with the feeder that he works(ed) for as well as the feds...but the pilot in the left seat is probably going to suffer some PIC issues.

Feeders are operated with single pilot limitations in their ops manuals and the pilot in the left seat already had his 135 checkride completed, or he wouldn't have been driving during a revenue run.

Plus, the Cessna Caravan PIM states that the plane is certified for one pilot, in the left seat.

I don't know of any reason why the "emergency" power lever would be unstowed except for an emergency pertaining to a pneumatic failure to the fuel control unit. It's safety wired in the stowed position for a reason.

 

[wingnutt]

I don't know of any reason why the "emergency" power lever would be unstowed except for an emergency pertaining to a pneumatic failure to the fuel control unit. It's safety wired in the stowed position for a reason.

...ask the Brazilian van drivers

 

[FN FAL]

...ask the Brazilian van drivers

I heard you the first time.

They have their situation and we have ours. If an approved technique and policy comes down the training pipeline incorporating use of the emergency power lever for augmenting on a hot day...I will use it.

Untill then, the lever stays stowed and wired untill I can verify failure to the fuel control unit. I'll let others make the funny papers when their ability to override the side of the brain that tries to stain stainless steel culminates in, "hey...you want to something really cool?"