Fed Ex Wide Body

[Lowpayisgreat]

Any Fed Ex guys now how long it would take for someone who wanted the right seat MD-11 in ANC to get it if hired this summer. I hear there is a seat lock as a 27FE for one year. Does anyone live their that can give me some insight. Thanks

 

[bustinmins]

Seniority Summary List
15 DEC 06

The most junior number in the company is highlighted in MAGENTA

Seat/Most Senior#/Most Junior#/Total


ANC 11F 908 4658 198
MEM 27F 513 4822 428
MEM 27S 592 4862 550
SFS 30F 1728 4648 41

 

[HoursHore]

0 Months if hired in one of the classes designated to have Anc MD-11 FO's for New Hires. If you get hired from the back of the 727, it might take a year or so, depending on training.

There are no seatlocks, unless you take a company paid move to either Subic or ANC.

 

[bustinmins]

Any Fed Ex guys now how long it would take for someone who wanted the right seat MD-11 in ANC to get it if hired this summer. I hear there is a seat lock as a 27FE for one year. Does anyone live their that can give me some insight. Thanks

There isn't a seat lock but you have to wait until the next bid. I'm riding sideways and there are junior people to me in the 727 FO seat. All that means to me is "Pay Protection" on second year pay. I was hired during this last round and I should be awarded 727 FO on the next bid which is rumored to occur in Feb/Mar - but who really knows?

 

[bustinmins]

For the record, if popped for an SO position, you'll be okay. Seniority is felt faster in that seat for the obvious reasons. Many people stay in that seat to develop a quality of life rather than going after a "window seat". I guess it depends on what you want. If you want to fly the bird, go for the window. If you want quality of life, then pass over a bid, maybe two. Lately, we've had had two bids per year or so. Those bid cycles are not set in stone by the way. It could be another year or more between bids. Hence the reason most people go for the window seat as fast as they can get it. Additionally, at FedEx, you can bid seats based on relative seniority. If you want the seat badly enough, you can bid it at 100% seniority...meaning you'll be the most junior guy in the seat. You could also bid the seat at 80% seniority to make an attempt to avoid reserve duty as well. It's up to you.

 

[Lowpayisgreat]

Are they still doing company move to ANC

Are they still doing company paid move. Also, do most people willing to take ANC to get the WB pay.

 

[bustinmins]

Got me, I'm still trying to wade through the scheduling part of the CBA. : )
I haven't had time to dive into the contract for those issues....I'm sure someone can answer that for you.

 

[Phaedrus]

The company will pay for the move to ANC within the first 18 months of hire. They will pay for your return as long as you stay in ANC for 3 years from DOH. So what that means is you can move to ANC at around 18 months from your DOH and move back another 18 months later if your wish is to minimize time in AK.
As far as the willingness of newhires to take the ANC slot for the WB, that is pure speculation. However, I was offered the ANC and took it immediately. Nothing like starting your seniority as quickly as you can in my opinion. I commute a long way so it's not easy, but to me it's worth it for now. Others aren't willing to do that so they may wait for a 72 class. I will say that I believe more folks are apt to take the first offer rather than wait for something else. Some empirical data, mostly just my opinion.

 

[bustinmins]

Personally, I'd take the first seat available. You may not get another shot at another seat if you opt out on the initial offer.

 

[TheBaron]

Any Fed Ex guys now how long it would take for someone who wanted the right seat MD-11 in ANC to get it if hired this summer. I hear there is a seat lock as a 27FE for one year. Does anyone live their that can give me some insight. Thanks

If you were hired this past summer, then you should easily hold ANC when the next bid comes out (spring guesstimate.) Even with the move package, the company seems to be having a hard time finding people that want to stay in ANC. There is nothing in the contract about a seat lock, but that said, it could easily take more than a year from the time you get an award until you actually activate at your new base. Latest rumor I heard was more purple nuggets planned for next summer.

 

[PastV1]

FWIW,
The only seat lock is if you bid to a lateral pay (WB 300FO to WB 11FO )seat or down bid to a lower paying seat (24 months for both). There are issues with a move package but not sure if it is a lock or just a repayment to the company if they paid to move you to SFS or ANC....

Past...

 

[Phaedrus]

If the company paid to move you and you opt not to stay the full 3 years all you have to pay is your way back....or so I understand.

 

[AdlerDriver]

There isn't a seat lock but you have to wait until the next bid. I'm riding sideways and there are junior people to me in the 727 FO seat. All that means to me is "Pay Protection" on second year pay. I was hired during this last round and I should be awarded 727 FO on the next bid which is rumored to occur in Feb/Mar - but who really knows?

bustinmins,
I'm not sure what you mean by this statement. The fact that there are folks junior to you in the right seat doesn't necessarily mean you get passover pay (if that's what you mean by "pay protection").
The only way you get passover pay is if you bid the seat in question and someone junior to you who bid that same seat in the same domicile on the same bid gets checked out first.
Since you just got hired, the bid last spring is n/a. If you bid 727 F/O in the bid that supposed to happen early next year, you will get trained in seniority order. The people already in the right seat that are junior to you don't trigger passover pay in this case. They have to be awarded the seat on the same bid as you. If someone junior on that bid trades training dates with someone senior to you and goes ahead of you, everyone that the junior "trader" is going ahead of has to agree to the trade and by doing so they waive passover pay. You're going to get second year 727 S/O pay when you start your second year. Your best bet to up your pay as a S/O would be to confirm that they plan to put more purple nuggets in ANC next summer. If so, then you need to bid MD-11 ANC. When the next nugget gets checked out after you've been awarded the bid, you'll get second year MD-11 pay. Bidding MD-11 MEM won't help unless they put nuggets in MEM. Passover pay is domicile specific.
If I got any of this wrong, someone jump in an correct me. Thanks.

 

[Sig]

Holy crap! I'd give three fingers to plumb on a 727 for FedEx! Honestly, I wish I had your options. Enjoy a career at a superior airline; you've got one heck of a path to retirement.

 

[Miyagi]

The only way you get passover pay is if you bid the seat in question and someone junior to you who bid that same seat in the same domicile on the same bid gets checked out first.

Since you just got hired, the bid last spring is n/a. If you bid 727 F/O in the bid that supposed to happen early next year, you will get trained in seniority order. The people already in the right seat that are junior to you don't trigger passover pay in this case. They have to be awarded the seat on the same bid as you.

If I got any of this wrong, someone jump in an correct me. Thanks.

Adler,
Most of what you wrote was correct but I am currently on second year FO pay as an SO. I am getting passover pay because some of the folks in the class behind mine were awarded Boeing FO seats that were not offered to pilots with more seniority (the prior class). The only requirement to allow the passover eligible folks in my class was to have Boeing FO on our standing bid preference at a percentage we could hold - 100%. This all happened prior to our first eligible bid (the infamous MOAB). With the large numbers of classes with both FOs and SOs positions being offered, I suspect the company is paying a lot of passover.

Merry Christmas

 

[sstearns2]

How does it look for sending newhires to Subic Bay? If someone takes the A300 in subic and then transfers to LAX on the MD are they seatlocked for 24 mo?

Hoping to get to get to make these choices one day....

I assume the 777s are going to be MEM based?

Thanks,
Scott

 

[propjob27]

How does it look for sending newhires to Subic Bay? If someone takes the A300 in subic and then transfers to LAX on the MD are they seatlocked for 24 mo?

Hoping to get to get to make these choices one day....

I assume the 777s are going to be MEM based?

Thanks,
Scott

There are 5 or 6 new hires with less than 1 year senority in Subic right now, so that's definately an option. Ask about it in groundschool if you want to head out there.

Also, as far as I know (my contract knowledge in this area is a little spotty) you cant bid out of SFS for 18 months, unless you are able to hold the A300 in MEM in 18 months, which is pretty much impossible.

From the contract:
"a pilot may not receive a permanent vacancy award based on a down/lateral bid unless he has been in his current crew status for at least 18 months."


Then, yes, if you bid MD-11 LAX after 18 months, since it was a lateral bid, you will be seat locked there for 24 months too.

From the contract:
"A pilot who is activated in a crew status that requires ITU training based on a down/lateral bid shall be frozen in that crew status for 24 months, commencing on his actual activation date."


Again, I've been wrong before (a lot), but thats my understanding.

 

[DLax85]

Adler,
Most of what you wrote was correct but I am currently on second year FO pay as an SO. I am getting passover pay because some of the folks in the class behind mine were awarded Boeing FO seats that were not offered to pilots with more seniority (the prior class). The only requirement to allow the passover eligible folks in my class was to have Boeing FO on our standing bid preference at a percentage we could hold - 100%. This all happened prior to our first eligible bid (the infamous MOAB). With the large numbers of classes with both FOs and SOs positions being offered, I suspect the company is paying a lot of passover.

Merry Christmas

I believe what Miyagi and BustinMins are saying about new hire SOs getting FO pay in the second year if new hires behind them are awarded FO seats is true...this is what mgt told us during our indoc in Aug...we had 9 FOs in our class and 14 SOs...several classes behind us also had a small number of FOs too. The only guys who wouldn't get passover pay would be the 2 folks in our class who voluntarily took SO slots over the FO slots.

Of course, if a bid does come out this spring we will have to bid 727FO to keep this status.