Fatigue Risk Management Plans

Volasl · Aug 16, 2010

doh · Aug 16, 2010

pilotyip said:
how about flying in the reserves?, flying your airplane to work instead of driving your car? working a second job as an all-night pizza delivery guy? All these effect your rest. So how is it that gov't can dictate rest?

While I agree government can't cover every contingency, they can cover the basics. We already know that after a 12 hour duty day, young military pilots had reaction times equal to someone over the legal alcohol limit for driving (NASA study). We already know that 8 hours of rest is not enough when your ground transportation is part of your rest. Those are easily fixed.

pilotyip · Aug 16, 2010

who determines drive?

doh said:
We already know that 8 hours of rest is not enough when your ground transportation is part of your rest. Those are easily fixed.

If it the company's fault, then it should not be part of rest. Back to the earlier post, if you have to drive two and a half hours to your home, do you get to count that? How does this compare to the pilot who only drives for 30 minutes?

kmox29 · Aug 16, 2010

pilotyip said:
If it the company's fault, then it should not be part of rest. Back to the earlier post, if you have to drive two and a half hours to your home, do you get to count that? How does this compare to the pilot who only drives for 30 minutes?

The government has no business regulating what you do and when you do it on your days off. They only thing they can address is what happens AFTER you report for duty. If you choose to live in CA and are based in NY, I don't see how the government can regulate your commute.

pilotyip · Aug 16, 2010

kmox29 said:
The government has no business regulating what you do and when you do it on your days off. They only thing they can address is what happens AFTER you report for duty. If you choose to live in CA and are based in NY, I don't see how the government can regulate your commute.

Then you are back to a unrested F/O at BUF

kmox29 · Aug 16, 2010

pilotyip said:
Then you are back to a unrested F/O at BUF

I think you'll always have an unrested FO in BUF. What the FAA can (and should) do is review and modify duty/rest rules.

ThisistheDream · Aug 16, 2010

the only way they FAA can make us get better rest is to have new FAA rest rules lowering the time u can be on duty in a 24 hr. period and or MAX hours to fly in 30/7 or calendar month. What u do on your own time is up to you and we have to be responsible, with a 24 hr over night if we stay up all night and get 6 hrs of sleep then we are fatigued in the morning by our own fault, but flying all day 15.5 hrs duty then getting reduced rest which ends up in 6 hours in the room then back in the plane at 7am is an FAA lack of rest regulation problem. Sometimes communting can give you better rest then if you live at base and have new born babies crying all night not letting you sleep. the airlines should be probally wont go much less than what the FAA sets as the limit so the FAA needs to address this is and make clear and easy to understand

pilotyip · Aug 17, 2010

Unintended Consequences

ThisistheDream said:
the only way th...........e probally wont go much less than what the FAA sets as the limit so the FAA needs to address this is and make clear and easy to understand

back to square one, it will take more pilots to cover the same number of trip, it will most likely mean more time away from home base, and it will not generate any more income for the airline. These are all unintented consequences of change. If the airlines maintain wages and hire more pilots with no increase in revenue, they will have to raise ticket prices. It is basic economics, if you raise the price of commodity, less people will purchase that commodity. With less people purchasing there is not as much demand for that commodity, therefore there will be fewer pilots with the lay offs following ticket price increases. BTW This could be largely offset by the 2012 hiring boom that has already started.

CX880 · Aug 17, 2010

PBRstreetgang said:
At the regional level it will be methamphetamine, as much as you want, you will have to buy it from the company, payroll deductible.
PBR

no they'll just bottle that Skywest koolaid for everyone, its' cheaper

PBRstreetgang · Aug 18, 2010

CX880 said:
no they'll just bottle that Skywest koolaid for everyone, its' cheaper

At least SKYW provides cool aid, you can felch all the hulas essence you want.
PBR

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