Fatigue Risk Management Plans

[buxflyr]

I have a fatigue management idea...how about the FAA implement scientifically sound duty time and rest regulations so that unions don't have to do regulator's jobs? Until that happens there will always be a turd-bag operation pushing pilots to (and beyond) the FAA limit.

YEA! I vote you new ALPA MEC Chairman!

 

[CheapFlyer]

Quick and easy temporary fix: 8 hours behind the door MINIMUM.

 

[pilotyip]

Quick and easy temporary fix: 8 hours behind the door MINIMUM.

but what if your home is a 2.5 hours drive from your place of work, and they only give you 10 hours duty free?

 

[AC560]

I agree. From what I've been reading, that is the plan. Unfortunately, it took the Colgan accident to force the issue and it appears to be moving forward at the speed of Government.

Commuting??

 

[pilotyip]

other stuff

Commuting??

how about flying in the reserves?, flying your airplane to work instead of driving your car? working a second job as an all-night pizza delivery guy? All these effect your rest. So how is it that gov't can dictate rest?

 

[Volasl]

Most airlines are already working on it already. It needs to be submitted within 90 days of passage:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5900

(b) Fatigue Risk Management Plan-
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(1) SUBMISSION OF FATIGUE RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN BY PART 121 AIR CARRIERS- Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, each part 121 air carrier shall submit to the Administrator for review and acceptance a fatigue risk management plan for the carrier’s pilots.

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(2) CONTENTS OF PLAN- A fatigue risk management plan submitted by a part 121 air carrier under paragraph (1) shall include the following:
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(A) Current flight time and duty period limitations.

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(B) A rest scheme consistent with such limitations that enables the management of pilot fatigue, including annual training to increase awareness of--
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(i) fatigue;

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(ii) the effects of fatigue on pilots; and

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(iii) fatigue countermeasures.


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(C) Development and use of a methodology that continually assesses the effectiveness of the program, including the ability of the program--
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(i) to improve alertness; and

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(ii) to mitigate performance errors.



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(3) REVIEW- Not later than 12 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall review and accept or reject the fatigue risk management plans submitted under this subsection. If the Administrator rejects a plan, the Administrator shall provide suggested modifications for resubmission of the plan.

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(4) PLAN UPDATES-
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(A) IN GENERAL- A part 121 air carrier shall update its fatigue risk management plan under paragraph (1) every 2 years and submit the update to the Administrator for review and acceptance.

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(B) REVIEW- Not later than 12 months after the date of submission of a plan update under subparagraph (A), the Administrator shall review and accept or reject the update. If the Administrator rejects an update, the Administrator shall provide suggested modifications for resubmission of the update.


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(5) COMPLIANCE- A part 121 air carrier shall comply with the fatigue risk management plan of the air carrier that is accepted by the Administrator under this subsection.

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(6) CIVIL PENALTIES- A violation of this subsection by a part 121 air carrier shall be treated as a violation of chapter 447 of title 49, United States Code, for purposes of the application of civil penalties under chapter 463 of that title.

 

[doh]

how about flying in the reserves?, flying your airplane to work instead of driving your car? working a second job as an all-night pizza delivery guy? All these effect your rest. So how is it that gov't can dictate rest?

While I agree government can't cover every contingency, they can cover the basics. We already know that after a 12 hour duty day, young military pilots had reaction times equal to someone over the legal alcohol limit for driving (NASA study). We already know that 8 hours of rest is not enough when your ground transportation is part of your rest. Those are easily fixed.

 

[pilotyip]

who determines drive?

We already know that 8 hours of rest is not enough when your ground transportation is part of your rest. Those are easily fixed.

If it the company's fault, then it should not be part of rest. Back to the earlier post, if you have to drive two and a half hours to your home, do you get to count that? How does this compare to the pilot who only drives for 30 minutes?

 

[kmox29]

If it the company's fault, then it should not be part of rest. Back to the earlier post, if you have to drive two and a half hours to your home, do you get to count that? How does this compare to the pilot who only drives for 30 minutes?

The government has no business regulating what you do and when you do it on your days off. They only thing they can address is what happens AFTER you report for duty. If you choose to live in CA and are based in NY, I don't see how the government can regulate your commute.

 

[pilotyip]

The government has no business regulating what you do and when you do it on your days off. They only thing they can address is what happens AFTER you report for duty. If you choose to live in CA and are based in NY, I don't see how the government can regulate your commute.

Then you are back to a unrested F/O at BUF